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« Reply #11595 on: November 29, 2017, 10:42:12 AM »

Theresa May will probably have to sign up to a bill of between €40bn and €60bn if she wants to talk about trade

https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21730529-europes-leaders-offer-theresa-may-qualified-support-they-want-britains-money-britain-seeks?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/ed/

After rebates ,EU money spent in uk etc....most agree the net paid out figure to be member of the EU club is about 8.4 billion. So it would a bill of about 6 years worth of net contributions to near enough carry on as now?

Seems this article was right about the bill........but maybe a service charge and tip still to come  Smiley
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« Reply #11596 on: November 30, 2017, 10:59:22 AM »

How many Boris buses does a Brexit divorce bill buy you?

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/29/how-many-boris-buses-does-a-brexit-divorce-bill-buy-you
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« Reply #11597 on: December 01, 2017, 09:22:46 AM »

Even Conservative MPs don't seem to really want Brexit,

says

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/11/even-conservative-mps-don-t-seem-really-want-brexit
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« Reply #11598 on: December 01, 2017, 09:24:26 AM »

a very interesting primer to the current situation and the intractable problem of the DUP and the Irish Border/Brexit

"Could the DUP really bring down the government? Don’t they hate Corbyn too much? What about the Fixed Term Parliaments Act? Your questions, answered:"

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/11/could-irish-border-bring-down-conservative-government
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« Reply #11599 on: December 02, 2017, 10:13:45 AM »

Full text of Tusk's remarks in Dublin http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2017/12/01/remarks-by-president-donald-tusk-after-his-meeting-with-taoiseach-leo-varadkar/

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« Reply #11600 on: December 02, 2017, 10:14:28 AM »

Statement by Leo Varadkar

" I have to be absolutely clear, the EU27 cannot declare sufficient progress without firm and acceptable commitments on the border"

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« Reply #11601 on: December 02, 2017, 10:16:31 AM »

 4 dangerous games of chicken on Irish border:

Varadkar v May
DD v Barnier
DUP v No10
Economy v No Deal

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-game-of-chicken-on-irish-border-11150858
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« Reply #11602 on: December 02, 2017, 10:18:04 AM »

Government will tell EU it wishes to stay in the aviation safety agency EASA - which operates within at least indirect jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice

https://news.sky.com/story/govt-to-stay-in-eu-air-safety-body-in-blurring-of-brexit-red-line-11151049
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« Reply #11603 on: December 02, 2017, 10:22:04 AM »

Frustrations are mounting over Labour’s stance on Brexit

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/brexit-is-reopening-old-wounds-in-the-labour-party?utm_term=.sok0VWQvq#.hfnygQk20
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« Reply #11604 on: December 02, 2017, 11:12:41 AM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.
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« Reply #11605 on: December 02, 2017, 12:35:09 PM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

Why would they want it (Brexit) to work for Britain?
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« Reply #11606 on: December 02, 2017, 02:55:53 PM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

Why would they want it (Brexit) to work for Britain?


Exactly.

UK has exactly 0 bargaining power. The EU and Ireland can just tell us to feck off.
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« Reply #11607 on: December 02, 2017, 03:16:43 PM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

Why would they want it (Brexit) to work for Britain?


Exactly.

UK has exactly 0 bargaining power. The EU and Ireland can just tell us to feck off.

...but then they miss out on billions and billions on a brexit deal....as well as screwing over their export market to the UK, just for starters.

Yes we need/want a deal....but no doubt it will also be better for them.
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« Reply #11608 on: December 02, 2017, 03:52:19 PM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.
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« Reply #11609 on: December 02, 2017, 05:52:30 PM »


I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.

 
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