The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.
 

James Dyson is a small time nobody in the grand scheme. Hopefully they will make the smart decision and destroy Britain to protect the Union. We voted to be tin pot, if anything else happens, it would be undemocratic.

[RickBFA]

I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.
 

James Dyson is a small time nobody in the grand scheme. Hopefully they will make the smart decision and destroy Britain to protect the Union. We voted to be tin pot, if anything else happens, it would be undemocratic.

Too many shandies?  “Smart decision and destroy Britain”.

Quality post.

[kukushkin88]

I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.
 

James Dyson is a small time nobody in the grand scheme. Hopefully they will make the smart decision and destroy Britain to protect the Union. We voted to be tin pot, if anything else happens, it would be undemocratic.

Too many shandies?  “Smart decision and destroy Britain”.

Quality post.

Is it sensible that they protect the Union in this context re: How much the UK is worth? I think it is. What do we offer?

[kukushkin88]

I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.
 

James Dyson is a small time nobody in the grand scheme. Hopefully they will make the smart decision and destroy Britain to protect the Union. We voted to be tin pot, if anything else happens, it would be undemocratic.

Too many shandies?  “Smart decision and destroy Britain”.

Quality post.

Re: Number of shandies. It would be nice to know how drunk you were when you voted for Thatcher/Major/IDS/Michael Howard/Hague/Cameron/May? The most comprehensive job of destroying something I've ever seen.

[The Camel]

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe, Ed Miliband won in 2015.

And everything is going along very smoothly tyvm.

Who came up with the stupid ed-stone idea anyway? They are to blame for this ridiculous mess we are in!

[RickBFA]

I'm trying to imagine the response of Tusk and Co if the UK had made such aggressive public statements 3 days before this deadline.

Both Tusk and the Irish leader might find this blow up in their faces.

Might play well in Ireland and Europe but its hardly conducive in finding a sensible outcome that works for all parties.

The DUP have also made some fairly "aggressive public statements" in the last week.  Perhaps this is a warning to May that she has to consider the best outcome for the majority of the Irish island (and the rest of the UK) and not just the DUP's support.

EU is negotiating with the British Government not the DUP.

It might have been smart to communicate that view in private.

Threatening to play Russian roulette with negotiations is not very smart. Someone might just pull the trigger.

Maybe the likes of Sir James Dyson might get their way.
 

James Dyson is a small time nobody in the grand scheme. Hopefully they will make the smart decision and destroy Britain to protect the Union. We voted to be tin pot, if anything else happens, it would be undemocratic.

Too many shandies?  “Smart decision and destroy Britain”.

Quality post.

Re: Number of shandies. It would be nice to know how drunk you were when you voted for Thatcher/Major/IDS/Michael Howard/Hague/Cameron/May? The most comprehensive job of destroying something I've ever seen.

Looks like you’d moved from the shandies on to spirits with that rather random thought.

Back to the point about today rather than 1979, you know and I know that destroying Britain isn’t really in the interests of the EU. That was just a ridiculous thought. It was just as extreme as those on the leave side that want to say “fuck you, we won’t give the EU a penny”

The EU will want to export to us, basically because we are still a relatively large consumer led economy. They make money from us. Couple that with a €40-50 billion divorce deal and it makes sense to find common ground.

[TightEnd]

Survation/Mail on Sunday:

CON 37 (-1)
LAB 45 (+1)
LD 6 (-1)
UKIP 4 (=)
SNP 3 (=)
GRN 1 (=)

30th Nov-1st Dec
N=1,003

[TightEnd]

[TightEnd]

In Ireland, Brexit situation, RTE gives comprehensive review of where we are - or are not.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1201/924399-brexit-deadline-uk/

[TightEnd]

could be big,no one spotted it yet

needs DUP/Con to collapse and then...

“Corbyn meets Costa in Lisbon, and signals that Labour could be open to second Brexit referendum” http://ift.tt/2BEi4Yn

[TightEnd]

In 2016, there were 113,208 attempts to access pornographic sites from the House of Commons.

February was an odd month

[Tal]

WiFi went down, presumably.

[The Camel]

WiFi went down, presumably.

Damian Green probably treats February like one of my friends who always gives upo booze for that month. 3 days less than giving it up for January.

[redsimon]

Parliament was in recess 10 days

figures for august and September interesting as mostly recess too

[TightEnd]

the times this morning