The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[ripple11]

Cheers Tighty.

God knows where we are heading. Potentially any very unlikely Tory/Labour deal might not even get through!

I never though it would it would happen (with me and the girl from Clapham)...... but a second referendum , and the nightmare that would bring, is maybe looking the only way out.

[Tal]

Corbyn: PM should learn from Klopp about success in europe

May: Liverpool showed us last night that, when everyone thinks you're going to fail and time is running out, if we pull together, we can achieve against european opposition.

They're having fun today at PMQs.

[RED-DOG]

Cheers Tighty.

God knows where we are heading. Potentially any very unlikely Tory/Labour deal might not even get through!

I never though it would it would happen (with me and the girl from Clapham)...... but a second referendum , and the nightmare that would bring, is maybe looking the only way out.

Were really up the junction.

[TightEnd]

Major polling news yesterday. We know conditions are ripe to give the two major parties an absolute kicking (the people want their will respected etc etc)

Opinium

LAB  28 (-5)
CON  22 (-4)
BREX  21 (+4)
LD  11 (+5)
UKIP  4 (-)
CHUK  4 (-)
GRN  6 (+2)

This is the lowest ever recorded combined vote share for Labour and the Conservatives

[TightEnd]

So in seperate polling for the Euros

This is interesting: Labour still holding up among Remain voters despite Corbyn’s Brexitiness.

Leavers stampeding to Brexit Party.

[TightEnd]

but there is an essential problem

Opinium:

74% would find remaining in the EU unacceptable;

61% would find no-deal Brexit unacceptable

which suggests that the majority want a deal. Only Parliament can't find one that gets through

[TightEnd]

or European elections Brexit Party now far ahead

No policies, but it doesn't matter. Protest!

[TightEnd]

There is an inherent irony in the surge in support for the Brexit party.

It surely moves the Tories towards a no deal Brexit that parliament will oppose (we know no deal can't pass with this parliamentary arithmetic) - thereby raising the prospect of an election, a Labour government and second referendum.

[TightEnd]

the telegraph suggests this

"If the Tories are to survive, the next leader will have to endorse (and prepare for) a no-deal Brexit"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/09/tories-can-survive-now-become-party-no-deal/

[TightEnd]

I would be interested to know from the faithful thread readers

Are you intending to vote in the Euros?

I voted, wanted to vote for a remain party and did so but the vote is going to be split LD, change, green etc

If you are a Brexit party person is a perfect storm, simple message that appeals to many non political people, you may be holding an "anti politics" grudge anyway

they are going to crush

Currently favourites for the Peterborough By-election too

[Tal]

There is an inherent irony in the surge in support for the Brexit party.

It surely moves the Tories towards a no deal Brexit that parliament will oppose (we know no deal can't pass with this parliamentary arithmetic) - thereby raising the prospect of an election, a Labour government and second referendum.

The Brexit Party must also be stopping a GE. Neither the Tories nor Labour can risk the consequences.

Impressive that there's a new stalemate coming out of this.

[nirvana]

Came here to mention something else but quick diversion to say I won't be voting in the Euros as I no longer vote. Not sure who I could vote for anyway, one of LDs, Greens or Brexit I guess.

Anyway, the Storyville thing on BBC4 following the Hoff for 2 years during the Brexit negotiations is great in many ways. Obviously a fairly singular view but the odd comments about Raab, Davis and the like are great fun.

My fav bit of soft mocking of the UK position was a few of the EU Parl brexit team watching May at the Conference dancing on stage to Abba. They mooted the idea of having Barnier walk on to 'The Winner Takes it all" at the next press conference. Amused me hugely, didn't think Belgians, Italians etc could be so funny..perhaps Europe is the future.

[Pokerpops]

This is fun

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2019/05/21-thoughts-yougov-s-latest-terrifying-european-parliamentary-election

“1) Are you fucking kidding me surely this can’t be real.

2) Oh my god oh my god oh my god oh my god ...”

[Sheriff Fatman]

Briget Prentice's resignation letter from the Labour Party is the best written one of the many I've seen recently.  It's very hard to find anything to disagree with in this.

https://twitter.com/BridgetPrentice/status/1128212203302211584

[Sheriff Fatman]

I would be interested to know from the faithful thread readers

Are you intending to vote in the Euros?

I voted, wanted to vote for a remain party and did so but the vote is going to be split LD, change, green etc

If you are a Brexit party person is a perfect storm, simple message that appeals to many non political people, you may be holding an "anti politics" grudge anyway

they are going to crush

Currently favourites for the Peterborough By-election too

I've been flipping between voting for either the Lib Dems or Greens in the EU Elections.  I thought the Lib Dems would have been the biggest Yorkshire & Humber party of the remain group from 2014, but it turned out to be the Greens.  They also have a great 1st choice candidate (current mayor of Sheffield, Majid Majid).

Lib Dems seem to be gaining the most traction though, and their use of 'Bollocks To Brexit' is bold as a slogan.

I've ruled out Change UK and have been generally underwhelmed with them since the early days of their launch.  I mentioned it in a previous post on here somewhere, but having prominent Tories in the group is positioning them too much as a Centre Right group than a Centre Left one, which is difficult for me to align to.  They're in danger of becoming an irrelevance.

Gut feel at the moment is to stick with Lib Dems, and rely on the upsurge as the best chance of a pro-Remain MEP getting elected.  I really don't like the D'Hondt system, as I'd have liked to express preferences for several parties, none of whom would have been Labour.