The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

As an aside from all other stuff, I’m amazed how easy it is for the govt to sack people and get away with it. If we want to do it in the corporate world it’s mostly a long process showing that people are missing KPI’s over a period of time, usually 6 months at least. The exception is gross misconduct but you need clear evidence to do that. Not just talking about the Gav Will case but just the general revolving door of govt where people regularly get slung out, I’m amazed that there hasn’t really been any/many high profile court cases taking the govt to court for dismissals.....Unless there is some behind the scenes payoffs going on or they are simply grateful to still have a decent paying job as a backbencher after being slung........

[Doobs]

As an aside from all other stuff, I’m amazed how easy it is for the govt to sack people and get away with it. If we want to do it in the corporate world it’s mostly a long process showing that people are missing KPI’s over a period of time, usually 6 months at least. The exception is gross misconduct but you need clear evidence to do that. Not just talking about the Gav Will case but just the general revolving door of govt where people regularly get slung out, I’m amazed that there hasn’t really been any/many high profile court cases taking the govt to court for dismissals.....Unless there is some behind the scenes payoffs going on or they are simply grateful to still have a decent paying job as a backbencher after being slung........

I am sure I read he got a £17k payoff, which he was entitled to under "the rules".  I assume they have a whole host of non-standard rules, as it isn't normal employment.  I haven't checked though.   I assume that if he wasn't entitled to it, somebody on the other side would have pointed out which rule was broken by making the payoff.

[Woodsey]

As an aside from all other stuff, I’m amazed how easy it is for the govt to sack people and get away with it. If we want to do it in the corporate world it’s mostly a long process showing that people are missing KPI’s over a period of time, usually 6 months at least. The exception is gross misconduct but you need clear evidence to do that. Not just talking about the Gav Will case but just the general revolving door of govt where people regularly get slung out, I’m amazed that there hasn’t really been any/many high profile court cases taking the govt to court for dismissals.....Unless there is some behind the scenes payoffs going on or they are simply grateful to still have a decent paying job as a backbencher after being slung........

I am sure I read he got a £17k payoff, which he was entitled to under "the rules".  I assume they have a whole host of non-standard rules, as it isn't normal employment.  I haven't checked though.   I assume that if he wasn't entitled to it, somebody on the other side would have pointed out which rule was broken by making the payoff.

So a paupers version of a football managers pay off 

[TightEnd]

Five tedious weeks of Tory-Labour Brexit talks have produced little more than their own two original customs plans, both of which the EU has already rejected

(we are headed to begging for another extension in October)

[TightEnd]

This is 7 mins long

but i think its excellent, as is JO'B.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1124331359823069186

[Marky147]

This is 7 mins long

but i think its excellent, as is JO'B.

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1124331359823069186

He's not wrong. What a shower.

Boris is just LOL

[TightEnd]

The Brexit Party is going to carry all before it in the European elections, think that almost goes without saying

Farage a good campaigner, simple message, one party..unlike remain who are not co-operating, complicated branding etc

but https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/local-elections-brexit-remain-labour-conservatives-lib-dems-greens-ukip-a8899596.html

[TightEnd]

but listen to who?

the local election results either a protest against delayed brexit or a protest against brexit..depends what you read!

[TightEnd]

Peston highlights the Labour issues

"These are the most extraordinary local elections of my lifetime. The Tories’ loss of more than 1000 councillors is way worse than the gloomiest projections. And yet Labour should be as depressed as the government - because the fact that it is losing more than 100..."

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1124349973963866113

[TightEnd]

A cynical Westminster fix won’t end the Brexit nightmares of May and Corbyn

Britain is repelled by both the main parties that have dominated its politics for the past century

Andrew Rawnsley

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/05/cynical-westminster-fix-wont-end-brexit-nightmares-of-may-and-corbyn

[Pokerpops]

The Brexit Party is going to carry all before it in the European elections, think that almost goes without saying

Farage a good campaigner, simple message, one party..unlike remain who are not co-operating, complicated branding etc

but https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/local-elections-brexit-remain-labour-conservatives-lib-dems-greens-ukip-a8899596.html

The irony of it all.
Farage leading an openly anti-EU party with the majority of UK MEPs whilst the HoC slowly gets on with Project Remain.

[TightEnd]

Failure to deliver Brexit is a democratic disaster: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/trumpism-is-coming-to-britain-and-nigel-farage-is-leading-the-charge-11714025

[TightEnd]

but

parliament reflects public opinion – no majority for any option https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-telegraph-voting-intention-and-brexit-poll-april-2019/

The paradox being that the most unacceptable (net) outcome is what actually happened – long delay to discuss customs union

[TightEnd]

I think it is a reasonable (although not infallible) strategic calculation that the more votes the Brexit Party in the Euros gets the less likely Brexit is.

The stronger no deal is on the right the more likely we are to push the Commons to choose between no deal and no Brexit/second referendum.

which is now being discussed as the Farage Paradox

[TightEnd]

Leave without a deal now on 28% support among public with yougov
15% in London (40% Leave),
18% in Scotland (38% Leave),
18% in Wales (52% Leave)
30% in North of England.

Brexit Party can top poll on 28% (4.5m to 5m votes) but the above applies, currently