The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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Times/YouGov EU poll Excluding don't knows: 56% Leave 44% Remain 1,675 voters taken on Feb 3/4

NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK

So clearly a swing towards LEAVE in this poll... Biggest lead for the leavers in any poll since November 2014...

NumbrCrunchrPolitics ‏@NCPoliticsUK

But... Usual caveats re individual polls. Also, response bias can be a prob immediately after an "event". More time and more data needed...





The Prime Minister's EU deal... Goes too far: 4% Is about right: 17% Doesn't go far enough: 56% (via YouGov / 03 - 04 Feb)

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[PokerBroker]

Interesting to see the BBC headlines this morning "bed blocking costing NHS £900m a year".

Report by Labour Peer Lord Carter says blocking by medically fit people should be addressed.

I'm sure a lot of this blocking is old people unable to leave hospital for care reasons but also reinforces the point we were making a week or so ago.

This was my first thought today.  8,000 patients a day in England and Wales alone.  Staggering. 

[Woodsey]

Can see why it's swung after the bag of bollocks it looks like Cameron will throw to the electorate with his 'negotiations', waste of time him even bothering.

I was don't know/leaning towards stay in before, think I've gone the opposite way now.

[MintTrav]

Can see why it's swung after the bag of bollocks it looks like Cameron will throw to the electorate with his 'negotiations', waste of time him even bothering.

I was don't know/leaning towards stay in before, think I've gone the opposite way now.

Totally agree. His nonsense has harmed the In campaign.

[RickBFA]

Had an interesting discussion this week with some clients of mine who do a lot of exporting.

I expected they would be pro staying in.

Their take on free trade with Europe was interesting.

They export chemicals and said it was almost impossible to trade with either France or Germany. Their system of checking and quality control was structured to make it very, very expensive and to effectively make it almost impossible to trade.

They export a lot to USA and Far East and find them much easier to deal with.

I have heard this before about the French system.

They couldn't care less about staying in EU.

[MintTrav]

The Out campaign is hilarious. Just when it should be at its strongest, it is in disarray, of its own making.

The three groups it is split into all hate each other and the Out element in every political party is divided.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/05/eu-campaign-feuds-may-lead-to-no-official-brexit-group

[TightEnd]

this is an interesting read

SNP imagined oil revenues of £8bn.Forecast now: £100m. the mess an independent Scotland would be in now

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/12141257/Imagine-the-mess-an-independent-Scotland-would-be-in-right-now.html?fb_ref=Default

[DungBeetle]

Yep - pretty embarrassing.

I must say I'm like some of the others on here - a year back I would almost certainly have voted to stay in, but now I'm really not sure (despite the comical campaign efforts)

[TightEnd]

no would have half a chance if there was a credible organised campaign

three groups, who all fight with each other, a mish-mash of Farage, the loony right, some left wingers and independents

no single voice, no planning, a complete botch job

[MintTrav]

The Out campaign held a strategy meeting in a local restaurant last night.

David Davis, Kate Hoey, Peter Bone and others planning Britain's future:

[MintTrav]

Nigel Farage & George Galloway.

Brothers under the skin, apparently -

Nigel Farage Verified account @Nigel_Farage   
"Glad to see @georgegalloway putting forward superb left-wing case for leaving the EU. We must all work together to Leave EU."


https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/696295447539884032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Trident now totally impossible for Labour http://specc.ie/1onwSDm

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the shadow defence secretasry asks tory mp and defence expert for meeting

the reply didnt pull many punches

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paragraph of the day, william hague