The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[MANTIS01]

No deal planning has been disrupted by the legal challenges, obstructing, demonstrations, and even more precious time wasted endlessly debating. If you don’t have a destination in mind (and we didn’t due to remainer May and tactical voters) and resources are spread thinly planning will be hampered.

Even this latest ‘new revelation’ that supply chain will be disrupted is just wah wahing rather than planning to combat that certainty. If demand remains but supply reduces by 60% non uk businesses will be falling over themselves to fill that hole. If not this obesity riddled, wasteful, consumption crazy country of ours will have a mildly inconvenient choice of fewer snack items.The horror.

[TightEnd]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Yes we are aware there might be less choice of some items for a period of time, we’ve known this for at least 3 years, next please we don’t need to keep hearing the same stuff over and over.....

If gove keeps being disingenuous, at best, and if that is countered by trade bodies then you will hear both sides of it thanks very much

Just because its inconvenient to unicorn lovers who refuse to accept the consequences of their votes, I won't stop banging away

[Woodsey]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Yes we are aware there might be less choice of some items for a period of time, we’ve known this for at least 3 years, next please we don’t need to keep hearing the same stuff over and over.....

If gove keeps being disingenuous, at best, and if that is countered by trade bodies then you will hear both sides of it thanks very much

Just because its inconvenient to unicorn lovers who refuse to accept the consequences of their votes, I won't stop banging away

You are honestly just wasting your time, we all know, tell us something new we don’t 

[MANTIS01]

The retail industry have been banging on about supply chain disruptions for 3 years?

Now just a few weeks away the disruption is predicted at 60%?

What was the disruption predicted 3 years ago? 60%?

[BigAdz]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Yes we are aware there might be less choice of some items for a period of time, we’ve known this for at least 3 years, next please we don’t need to keep hearing the same stuff over and over.....

As a diabetic, high blood pressure, cholesterol transplant receipient , I have taken the time to research that I will still be getting free flow of the many(20) drugs/tablets I take a take. I may not get the same brand as I currently get, but the supply is plentiful and will continue to be so. Its telling(seems to be todays buzz word) that we are still relying on newspaper articles from Professors in medicine rather than, as some has said, the supply chain management, to find ways to enhance our narrative.

I still haven't heard a remainer answer the long outstanding question about why they are so determined to stay in an EU that s clearly desperate to keep us in for our money/resources/knowledge, that is slowly falling apart. Its all about the  now.

[kukushkin88]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Yes we are aware there might be less choice of some items for a period of time, we’ve known this for at least 3 years, next please we don’t need to keep hearing the same stuff over and over.....

As a diabetic, high blood pressure, cholesterol transplant receipient , I have taken the time to research that I will still be getting free flow of the many(20) drugs/tablets I take a take. I may not get the same brand as I currently get, but the supply is plentiful and will continue to be so. Its telling(seems to be todays buzz word) that we are still relying on newspaper articles from Professors in medicine rather than, as some has said, the supply chain management, to find ways to enhance our narrative.

I still haven't heard a remainer answer the long outstanding question about why they are so determined to stay in an EU that s clearly desperate to keep us in for our money/resources/knowledge, that is slowly falling apart. Its all about the  now.

This is exchange seems to happen about once a week. There are loads of positives for staying:

https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/remain-eu/

We haven’t heard a credible benefit of leaving. Hope for the best, it might not be horrific is the extent of the optimism now.

[BigAdz]

Some absolute belters in there, including a lot of ways in which we get our own money back and wishlists on cutting emmissions/landfill etc in a variety of industries, like we wouldn't be doing that ourselves anyway.

Fuck me, I'm convinced, lets stay after all.

The clincher was a pet passport......

[Pokerpops]

Some absolute belters in there, including a lot of ways in which we get our own money back and wishlists on cutting emmissions/landfill etc in a variety of industries, like we wouldn't be doing that ourselves anyway.

Fuck me, I'm convinced, lets stay after all.

The clincher was a pet passport......

You beat me to it!

Not to mention that some of the areas that required help ‘from the EU’ like South Wales, Yorkshire and Teesside might not have needed the help has EU rules not prevented government assistance for industries like steel.

[kukushkin88]

Some absolute belters in there, including a lot of ways in which we get our own money back and wishlists on cutting emmissions/landfill etc in a variety of industries, like we wouldn't be doing that ourselves anyway.

Fuck me, I'm convinced, lets stay after all.

The clincher was a pet passport......

You beat me to it!

Not to mention that some of the areas that required help ‘from the EU’ like South Wales, Yorkshire and Teesside might not have needed the help has EU rules not prevented government assistance for industries like steel.

Is it really the EU that’s the limiting factor in state aid? Seems like it’s largely down to government choice.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41392469

[kukushkin88]

Some absolute belters in there, including a lot of ways in which we get our own money back and wishlists on cutting emmissions/landfill etc in a variety of industries, like we wouldn't be doing that ourselves anyway.

Fuck me, I'm convinced, lets stay after all.

The clincher was a pet passport......

There are 98 reasons. I’m sure it’s an imperfect list but it really isn’t that bad, let’s say we can dismiss half of them. That still stacks up well against nothing.

[RickBFA]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

[kukushkin88]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

I think ‘short term’ looks like being decades and there’s certainly no suggestion that anything improves from leaving. We’ll just be small and at the mercy of the relatively massive trading blocs. We’ll need to rejoin as quickly as possible, hopefully the EU will make adopting the euro a condition of rejoining.

[MANTIS01]

If the remain position is there isn't a single good reason to leave it's unsurprising we haven't made headway over the last 3yrs.

[nirvana]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Is there any update on turkey dinosaurs, frozen wedges and baked beans ?

[nirvana]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Is there any update on turkey dinosaurs, frozen wedges and baked beans ?

Actually, where do green beans and bananas come from - I think they're the only fresh food I eat that I would miss if I couldn't get them.