The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[MANTIS01]

Waitrose do a wide selection of frozen fruit which is a better option. Frozen cherries with muesli (dry goods) plenty NI moo cow milk and Colombian coffee is my usual breakfast staple. At first I had to steady myself that my odd choc au pain morning treat might be under threat but Oswaldo who works in patisserie says they’re baked fresh in store most days.

[Woodsey]

NEW: Retail industry rejects Michael Gove marr claim on No Deal shortages of fresh food.

“It is categorically untrue that the supply of fresh food will be unaffected under a no deal Brexit.

The retail industry has been crystal clear in its communications with Government over the past 36 months that the availability of fresh foods will be impacted as a result of checks and delays at the border. Indeed, the Government’s own assessments showed that the flow of goods through the channel crossings could be reduced by 40-60% from day 1, as would the “availability and choice” of some foods.

It is impossible to mitigate fully as neither retailers nor consumers can stockpile fresh foods..no deal Brexit in Oct would present worst of all worlds...Retailers preparing for Christmas, stretching already limited warehousing capacity, & UK importing majority of fresh food from EU”

British Retail Consortium spokesperson, saying industry has been clear for 3 years

Is there any update on turkey dinosaurs, frozen wedges and baked beans ?

Actually, where do green beans and bananas come from - I think they're the only fresh food I eat that I would miss if I couldn't get them.

Not the EU......

[RED-DOG]

Waitrose do a wide selection of frozen fruit which is a better option. Frozen cherries with muesli (dry goods) plenty NI moo cow milk and Colombian coffee is my usual breakfast staple. At first I had to steady myself that my odd choc au pain morning treat might be under threat but Oswaldo who works in patisserie says they’re baked fresh in store most days.

Sounds pretty glycaemic indexy to me.

[Marky147]

Waitrose do a wide selection of frozen fruit which is a better option. Frozen cherries with muesli (dry goods) plenty NI moo cow milk and Colombian coffee is my usual breakfast staple. At first I had to steady myself that my odd choc au pain morning treat might be under threat but Oswaldo who works in patisserie says they’re baked fresh in store most days.

Sounds pretty glycaemic indexy to me.

[vegaslover]

The president of the RC of P himself

"we are not being honest as a country with the public about the potential risk of no deal when it comes to medicines"

that is as close as it comes to gospel, surely?

I go on about this as I am personally invested, and more worried than i would be otherwise, currently and more importantly (because what do i know, frankly) I have spoken to oncologists who are worried too

Not necessarily, is he a remainer or leaver? Does he have access to the inner workings of a Pharma company?

the former, no deal rather than remain/leave is his concern. here is an article he wrote in may https://www.rcplondon.ac.uk/news/brexit-wherever-next

the latter, i would assume he has very close relationships with the major suppliers of products his members use professionally

Why are we questioning such experts (broken record)? Surely his concerns are legitimate?

Why assume he has close relationships?

My experience of people in positions like that is the opposite, they don’t want to be seen to as being close to Pharma co’s

A relative of mine was president of one of the royal colleges a few years back, he is a remainer. If asked the question by the media what his views were (even if he didn’t really know) I know what his likely answer will be, and yes it would suit his view.

You naively assume that even ‘experts’ can’t be influenced by their own political agenda. I’m afraid you are wrong.

Frankly, the only person on here who can give even close to an accurate answer on the supply of medications is woodsy.
No royal physician or doctor is even going to get close to knowing

[BigAdz]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

I think ‘short term’ looks like being decades and there’s certainly no suggestion that anything improves from leaving. We’ll just be small and at the mercy of the relatively massive trading blocs. We’ll need to rejoin as quickly as possible, hopefully the EU will make adopting the euro a condition of rejoining.

Really?

You must have very little faith in your fellow Brits to think we are that pathetic.

The Swiss do ok and I suspect we are far more robust as a nation than they are.

Still you are moving to France so what do you care.

[Pokerpops]

Some absolute belters in there, including a lot of ways in which we get our own money back and wishlists on cutting emmissions/landfill etc in a variety of industries, like we wouldn't be doing that ourselves anyway.

Fuck me, I'm convinced, lets stay after all.

The clincher was a pet passport......

You beat me to it!

Not to mention that some of the areas that required help ‘from the EU’ like South Wales, Yorkshire and Teesside might not have needed the help has EU rules not prevented government assistance for industries like steel.

Is it really the EU that’s the limiting factor in state aid? Seems like it’s largely down to government choice.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41392469

From your link...

Do the rules prevent support for the steel industry?
The EU Commission says too much steel is produced in Europe. As a result, it has been inclined to take a fairly tough line on state aid in this sector.
In 2016 for example, the commission ordered Belgium to recover 211m euros in illegal state aid it had given to its steel industry.
That does not mean all state aid is impossible, but the government would have to make a case that assistance was within the rules, or fell under one of the exemptions.
One possibility would be to argue that the steel industry was essential for national security, but it is far from clear the commission would accept that.

Government infrastructure projects could favour domestic steel, but that is currently not allowed under the EU Procurement Rules.

Let’s be clear on this. Steel making is part of this country’s DNA and the scale of the job losses, and their impact on the communities around them is significant. The EU are not solely responsible for the reduction in the industry, but they have made supporting it pretty tough.

[Pokerpops]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

I think ‘short term’ looks like being decades and there’s certainly no suggestion that anything improves from leaving. We’ll just be small and at the mercy of the relatively massive trading blocs. We’ll need to rejoin as quickly as possible, hopefully the EU will make adopting the euro a condition of rejoining.

You just lost whatever small semblance of credibility that I might once have given you. The euro is a busted flush. There simply isn’t a way to have a common currency without having a common fiscal policy and that just can’t happen.

[aaron1867]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

You're right leave voters was warned of of the economic consequences. Hence, why they are labelled as stupid.

As for long term position, it's good to hope isn't it Rich? We can all hope that our economy gets back to flourishing, as it was in the EU, in many years time.

[RickBFA]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

You're right leave voters was warned of of the economic consequences. Hence, why they are labelled as stupid.

As for long term position, it's good to hope isn't it Rich? We can all hope that our economy gets back to flourishing, as it was in the EU, in many years time.

Life will go on. It is possible to prosper as an independent nation.

And yes it’s good to have hope and positivity. Positive people succeed.

[aaron1867]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

You're right leave voters was warned of of the economic consequences. Hence, why they are labelled as stupid.

As for long term position, it's good to hope isn't it Rich? We can all hope that our economy gets back to flourishing, as it was in the EU, in many years time.

Life will go on. It is possible to prosper as an independent nation.

And yes it’s good to have hope and positivity. Positive people succeed.

Thing is, life might not go on for those that are affected my medication shortages such as insulin and shortage of flu vaccine.

But hey, hope and positivity.

[tikay]

Oswaldo though.

[BigAdz]

What seems to be constantly forgotten is that leave voters all knew there would be short term economic consequences of leaving.

That was made clear time and time again by remain. Despite this, like it or not, the public voted to leave.

The short term economic arguments are a complete red herring. It’s about our long term position outside the EU. This seems to be ignored in the current debate. I have a feeling we won’t starve.  

You're right leave voters was warned of of the economic consequences. Hence, why they are labelled as stupid.

As for long term position, it's good to hope isn't it Rich? We can all hope that our economy gets back to flourishing, as it was in the EU, in many years time.

Life will go on. It is possible to prosper as an independent nation.

And yes it’s good to have hope and positivity. Positive people succeed.

Thing is, life might not go on for those that are affected my medication shortages such as insulin and shortage of flu vaccine.

But hey, hope and positivity.

Which other developed country suffers from lack of medication?

They aren't all in the European Union..

It really is funny listening to supposedly intelligent people talking about people dying in their masses because of this.

[Sheriff Fatman]

Oswaldo though.

He's probably been denied settled status by now.

[MANTIS01]

He’s Brazilian