The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Going to be absolute scenes if Labour don't vote for this election in the coming days. Seems as in Cummings plan might not be coming to bare its fruits after all. But like Doobs said, nobody cn second guess Corbyn.

At least with any potential election it seems like we might be getting somewhere after all, but could be a genuine nightmare if it comes back with a horribly hung parliament. Not sure where that would leave us?

But kind of don't understand the polling for the Lib Dems, they seem to be the party that remain are turning to, so why are projected seats/polls showing at 30 ish? I think they're going to be in for a LOT more than that. All the stuff I see on Twitter is just Tories turning to BP or LD and Labour turning to LD. I haven't heard a single person say they will move to vote Tory, not one.

Genuinely think that we will see a remain coalition in October. SNP+ & LD++++.

Cons likely start a snap GE behind in 10 Scottish seats and behind in 10 Southern seats to the LibDems. So they may need 20+ Labour gains just to get back to where they are now...

However FPTP practically limits how many seats the LDs can win (votes pile up in certain regions only)

[TightEnd]

That list of 22 or so is said to be holding firm

 “It’s a bit rich for PM to point the finger at colleagues who plan to defy the party whip - colleagues who voted for a deal 3 times - while he voted with Jeremy Corbyn to inflict the 2 biggest parliamentary defeats on a govt."

is an unattributable quote given to a lobby journalist

[TightEnd]

This was a major leak last night

Inside Brexit War Cabinet:

- Dominic Cummings described EU negotiation as "a sham" in internal strategy meetings, per two highly placed sources.

- AG Cox warned Johnson it was "complete fantasy" to think EU would bin backstop 

https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/02/no-deal-brexit-looms-leak-reveals-dominic-cummings-considers/

[TightEnd]

EU could declare no-deal Brexit as major natural disaster

releases a lot of money to help the 27

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/02/eu-could-declare-no-deal-brexit-as-major-natural-disaster

[TightEnd]

Leaked govt docs seen by skynews show vehicles could face a *2 day* delay at Dover.

-That’s a pile up of up to 8,000 vehicles.
 
-Even in best case scenario lorries will be waiting for 2-3 hours, with 50% waiting for at least 8.

New analysis drawn up in last fortnight.

[TightEnd]

“We are facing a perfect storm of crisis for peace and stability in Northern Ireland. And the captain of the ship is sailing directly into the eye of the storm.”

Boris, Brexit, and the Border: An incendiary mix

http://qpol.qub.ac.uk/boris-brexit-and-the-border-an-incendiary-mix/

[TightEnd]

An interesting perspective from Green

"Almost all the constitutional problems about Brexit come from one simple source

MPs could have made the 2016 referendum legally binding, but they chose not to do so

The problems have come from MPs then treating it as legally binding when it was not"

[TightEnd]

Clement Attlee on referendums:

"I could not consent to the introduction into our national life of a device so alien to all our traditions".

He anticipated the dangerous clash between "the will of the people" and parliamentary sovereignty.

[MANTIS01]

Thinking about it, wouldn't we be in a better position to make deals after we leave? Of course we would. Anything they are prepared to offer pre Brexit they will surely offer afterwards.

No! We'd be completely at their mercy in that case. A bit like we'll be with the US.

How so? What can we offer now that we couldn't offer after we leave?

Please explain because I genuinely don't understand how our negotiating position is currently better.

It isn’t currently better mate

Hence why Boris is taking this direct action

And also hence why rather than focus on all the strengths of our current position Remain seek to bombard us with daily scare stories about cow massacres, Ireland exploding into an episode of Peaky Blinders and the sick clawing at the closed shutters of empty Lloyds pharmacies

[nirvana]

Watching politics live and the concept of we will not be able to bring in enough flu vaccines in the event of no deal is trotted out again like it's a fact.

What are the mechanics of this happening ? It seems absurd to imagine that our border staff would be holding up incoming medicines or any other goods for that matter - why would we do that - drives me mad that I can't get an explanation for the mechanics of how we end up with shortages of medicines

[horseplayer]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1168845219346956289

Not hard to see why made up bus slogans worked

what a treat to witness

[engy]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1168845219346956289

Not hard to see why made up bus slogans worked

what a treat to witness

😂😂😂

[Sheriff Fatman]

Interesting development from the Scottish case to challenge prorogation.

Downing Street documents show the plan was agreed by BoJo in mid-August, prior to a flat out denial that this was being considered made on 25th August.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-prorogue-parliament-brexit-dominic-cummings-email-court-scotland-a9089911.html

[Sheriff Fatman]

A small moment of significance in Parliament:

"Jo Swinson confirms that Phillip Lee has joined the Liberal Democrats.

The opposition now has a majority of 1. CON+DUP no longer have a majority."

[BigAdz]

Watching politics live and the concept of we will not be able to bring in enough flu vaccines in the event of no deal is trotted out again like it's a fact.

What are the mechanics of this happening ? It seems absurd to imagine that our border staff would be holding up incoming medicines or any other goods for that matter - why would we do that - drives me mad that I can't get an explanation for the mechanics of how we end up with shortages of medicines

Like so many other things on here..so many chirping how bad it will be with absolutely no substance, than they have read it somewhere from someone equally unqualified to spread it as news.

Look at CF earlier, making a comment to Tom and when he asks for substance behind the claim, they scuttle off, as so often happens from the remainers on here.

I am in Norway on business at the moment, and it just reminds me that my two favourite places in Europe to visit are here and Switzerland, where everything runs so much more smoothly than the rest of Europe, the places are cleaner, and everyone generally less hassled and laid back. Oh yes, the two most developed countries not clamouring for membership of the EU.......