The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[RickBFA]

So on the final day before the election we’ve had the BBC’s Senior Political Editor say that postal votes don’t look good for Labour, which appears on its face to be a breach of broadcasting code as well as Electoral Commission rules, but all of that pales into insignificance when there’s another BBC troll saying that ‘if he wins the majority that he so deserves’.

https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/posts/2920015368038357/?vh=e

No surprises there that the he in question is Boris Johnson.

The lack of editorial integrity is remarkable.  Absolutely outstanding.

I look forward to hearing from Sheree Jenner-Hepburn or some other Tory shill telling us all about the good friend she has working at the Beeb and how impartial they all are, and in fact if anything they’re biased against Boris and his oven-ready Brexit deal.

Sorry Mull, but are you calling out the BBC for being too right wing?

 

That post did make me smile.

It is laughable to think the BBC is right leaning.

[kukushkin88]

So on the final day before the election we’ve had the BBC’s Senior Political Editor say that postal votes don’t look good for Labour, which appears on its face to be a breach of broadcasting code as well as Electoral Commission rules, but all of that pales into insignificance when there’s another BBC troll saying that ‘if he wins the majority that he so deserves’.

https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/posts/2920015368038357/?vh=e

No surprises there that the he in question is Boris Johnson.

The lack of editorial integrity is remarkable.  Absolutely outstanding.

I look forward to hearing from Sheree Jenner-Hepburn or some other Tory shill telling us all about the good friend she has working at the Beeb and how impartial they all are, and in fact if anything they’re biased against Boris and his oven-ready Brexit deal.

Sorry Mull, but are you calling out the BBC for being too right wing?

 

That post did make me smile.

It is laughable to think the BBC is right leaning.

We have discussed this at length before. Overall biased or not (they do have plenty of former Conservative employees on the executive payroll), they are absolutely complicit in the prolific lying machine that is Boris and the modern Conservative Party.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/peter-oborne-on-media-calling-out-boris-johnson-lies-1-6383062

It is pretty incredible that Kuenssberg hasn’t been sacked for reporting the ‘punch’ claim and the postal vote debacle, which she surely must be compelled to explain to the police.

[horseplayer]

So on the final day before the election we’ve had the BBC’s Senior Political Editor say that postal votes don’t look good for Labour, which appears on its face to be a breach of broadcasting code as well as Electoral Commission rules, but all of that pales into insignificance when there’s another BBC troll saying that ‘if he wins the majority that he so deserves’.

https://www.facebook.com/185180654855189/posts/2920015368038357/?vh=e

No surprises there that the he in question is Boris Johnson.

The lack of editorial integrity is remarkable.  Absolutely outstanding.

I look forward to hearing from Sheree Jenner-Hepburn or some other Tory shill telling us all about the good friend she has working at the Beeb and how impartial they all are, and in fact if anything they’re biased against Boris and his oven-ready Brexit deal.

Sorry Mull, but are you calling out the BBC for being too right wing?

 

Kuenssberg has managed that in the last week alone let alone the beeb

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

[aaron1867]

Polling stations are busier than ever. Telegraph reporting a 5 point lead, May had 8 points and didn’t get a majority.

Hung parliament odds 6/4-2/1.

[RickBFA]

Polling stations are busier than ever. Telegraph reporting a 5 point lead, May had 8 points and didn’t get a majority.

Hung parliament odds 6/4-2/1.

According to oddschecker :

Majority 1/2
Hung 5/2 best, generally 2/1

As Arbboy said Aaron, fill your boots. 

Easy money.

[aaron1867]

Polling stations are busier than ever. Telegraph reporting a 5 point lead, May had 8 points and didn’t get a majority.

Hung parliament odds 6/4-2/1.

According to oddschecker :

Majority 1/2
Hung 5/2 best, generally 2/1

As Arbboy said Aaron, fill your boots. 

Easy money.

I’ve only had one bet & I know it’s a winner 🤷‍♂️

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

[kukushkin88]

It must be the most dishonest campaign ever run in a western democracy.

https://firstdraftnews.org/latest/thousands-of-misleading-conservative-ads-side-step-scrutiny-thanks-to-facebook-policy/

[ripple11]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

I can’t find evidence of the £10,000 for cancer treatment claim. Do you have a link?

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

Also I’m clearly not talking about normal levels of ‘electoral spin’ (that shouldn’t even be a thing). I’m saying everything from Johnson, all of it, is palpably untrue.

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

The NHS will need to be partly for sale of course, the anti-Corbyn NS does a decent job of outlining why:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/economy/2019/11/heres-real-problem-tory-plans-nhs-and-us-uk-trade-deal

[Jon MW]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

Also I’m clearly not talking about normal levels of ‘electoral spin’ (that shouldn’t even be a thing). I’m saying everything from Johnson, all of it, is palpably untrue.

Annoyingly Politifact don't seem to do neat summaries like they do for the US people; is there a summary anywhere for Johnson's 'table of truth'?

This is Politifact's one for Donald Trump (for example).

True	34 (5%)
Mostly True	77 (10%)
Half True	102 (14%)
Mostly False	156 (21%)
False	261 (35%)
Pants on Fire	109 (15%)

[kukushkin88]

In terms of sustained repeated lies, Boris is already ahead of Trump. It’s near impossible to find something he has said in the campaign which is true or close to being true. Even the ‘great new deal’ that he “negotiated” was only him accepting the deal the EU wanted from the start and that May (and he) said was entirely unacceptable, he did get workers and environmental protections removed, nothing else.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Just out of interest , so we can’t misremember in the future that basically every word is entirely untrue, like we did with the referendum. Can anyone find something Boris said in the campaign that was either true or close to being true?

They all put an electoral spin on things...like it or not it's how politics works.  

.ie the NHS is for sale ,,...it will soon cost you £10,000 for cancer treatment.

 ie almost everthing Ashworth said in the campaign ........he himself said wasn't true !!

Also I’m clearly not talking about normal levels of ‘electoral spin’ (that shouldn’t even be a thing). I’m saying everything from Johnson, all of it, is palpably untrue.

Annoyingly Politifact don't seem to do neat summaries like they do for the US people; is there a summary anywhere for Johnson's 'table of truth'?

This is Politifact's one for Donald Trump (for example).

True	34 (5%)
Mostly True	77 (10%)
Half True	102 (14%)
Mostly False	156 (21%)
False	261 (35%)
Pants on Fire	109 (15%)

We have the Oborne encyclopaedia of lies (below). It seems the 88% of all Conservative ads that are lies are largely Dipshit Johson soundbites.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/