The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 42% (-5)
LAB: 33% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
UKIP: 7% (+1)

(via Ipsos Mori)

[AndrewT]

Have any of the pollsters run a poll along the lines of 'Given what you know now, if there was a second referendum tomorrow would you vote to Leave or Remain'?

[TightEnd]

Have any of the pollsters run a poll along the lines of 'Given what you know now, if there was a second referendum tomorrow would you vote to Leave or Remain'?

there were a couple in september. from memory about 4% of the leave vote changed sides.

i now there is no communications strategy from the government and as of jun 24th there was no preparation for it at all, and that is not helping but its a virtually impossible job to disentangle in a timely and acceptable way to my eyes

 

[The Camel]

Labour has checkmated itself on Brexit, http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/11/labour-has-checkmated-itself-brexit

most odd how they are failing to make any political capital over the shambles

Not sure why you think it's odd, Labour is in the ultimate catch 22 situation.

Those in charge now are lifelong socialists. Their ideals would include freedom of movement and helping those who are disadvantaged, whether home or abroad.

It is clear a large minority of "traditional" Labour voters don't agree with those tenets.

So they either have to abandon their principles or lose a huge proportion of their supporters.

And to stick the knife in further if they do embrace an anti  immigration / anti EU position, they are liable to lose their supporters in London and the metropolitan cities.

Labour is utterly and completely screwed whichever way you look at it.

[The Camel]

Labour's best hope may well be to sit on its hands and keep its mouth shut and hope the Tories implode.

Although a similar strategy didn't work too well for Hillary Clinton, did it?

[The Camel]

Meanwhile, if you want a long term investment for a couple of hundred quid and don't mind waiting to collect..

7/4 Article 50 not to be invoked before January 1st 2018 with S*ybet looks like a gilt edged wager,

[redsimon]

Meanwhile, if you want a long term investment for a couple of hundred quid and don't mind waiting to collect..

7/4 Article 50 not to be invoked before January 1st 2018 with S*ybet looks like a gilt edged wager,

Why?

[The Camel]

Meanwhile, if you want a long term investment for a couple of hundred quid and don't mind waiting to collect..

7/4 Article 50 not to be invoked before January 1st 2018 with S*ybet looks like a gilt edged wager,

Why?

If the Supreme Court says the Government have to present a series of bills to parliament BEFORE triggering A50, there is no chance this work will be complete within a year.

Could well take until the next election apparently.

[RickBFA]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37997713

 
Nice to see unemployment down again.

[DaveShoelace]

Meanwhile, if you want a long term investment for a couple of hundred quid and don't mind waiting to collect..

7/4 Article 50 not to be invoked before January 1st 2018 with S*ybet looks like a gilt edged wager,

Why?

If the Supreme Court says the Government have to present a series of bills to parliament BEFORE triggering A50, there is no chance this work will be complete within a year.

Could well take until the next election apparently.

Plus the Tories don't seem to have a clue what they are doing, Labour don't seem to have a clue what their official stance on it is, and lots of other politicians seem hell bent on stopping it.

Then you know Trump will somehow factor into it in some silly way.

I think it's a great bet cheers Keith.

[doubleup]

Michael Gove, the former cabinet minister and leading Brexit campaigner, has pressed experts on how the UK could achieve a “quickie divorce” with the EU.

For a start I thought he had enough of experts and also as he was one of the primary campaigners for leave one would have thought he had some vague views on how leaving would be achieved.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/16/michael-gove-raises-question-of-quickie-divorce-for-uk-from-eu

[Woodsey]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37997713

 
Nice to see unemployment down again.

GTFO with all this positive nonsense....

[TightEnd]

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[TightEnd]

anyone see newsnight last night

the eurocrat was scathing

"Boris offering "things that are intellectually impossible, politically unavailable""

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37995606

[TightEnd]

i am surprised May's number here is holding up in the brexitshambles. she's crap at PMQs too

as for Corbyn, still the only labour leader never to have had a positive net figure

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