The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[The Camel]

 

I just don't get Pie.

Like Ricky Gervais, I know I should find him funny, but cannot somehow.

[nirvana]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

[titaniumbean]

 

I just don't get Pie.

Like Ricky Gervais, I know I should find him funny, but cannot somehow.

did you lose your sense of humour somewhere?

I can see why this would be too politically based for some but Gervais is not comparable.   

[titaniumbean]

The line JC won by losing, and May lost by winning sums it up perfectly.

[The Camel]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

If the SNP hadn't collapsed, Labour would be announcing their cabinet about now.

Funny old game, if SNP voters had thought Labout had a cat in hells chance of doing so well, they probably wouldn't have voted Tory?

[nirvana]

 

I just don't get Pie.

Like Ricky Gervais, I know I should find him funny, but cannot somehow.

His rant at the bulk of the PLP is well deserved though - I like him

[titaniumbean]

I'm not one to like a good rant     but I think it's a very clever character/concept of showing media bias/narrow mindedness then hearing what he really thinks.


I would have liked to have gone to his live shows to see if it can be anywhere near as good as a short clip. but alas. you can however download it for a sensible and reasonable price so i'll probably give it a listen through at some point.

[The Camel]

 

I just don't get Pie.

Like Ricky Gervais, I know I should find him funny, but cannot somehow.

did you lose your sense of humour somewhere?

I can see why this would be too politically based for some but Gervais is not comparable.   

I didn't compare him with Gervais. Just everyone seems to think he's hilarious, I think he's too smug.

[nirvana]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

If the SNP hadn't collapsed, Labour would be announcing their cabinet about now.

Funny old game, if SNP voters had thought Labout had a cat in hells chance of doing so well, they probably wouldn't have voted Tory?

It is a funny old game - like Brexit where I was say just over 50% leave, so with party politics, Labour shades it for me but I don't like all their policies and I appreciate a lot of Tory policy.

I do think Labour has benefited massively from the same kind  of protest vote that saw leave win as much as through people having socialist convictions. On top of that, a single manifesto that promised no tax rises (for the many), free this, free that proved to be popular - who'd a thunk it.

A protest vote can evaporate, whether the Tories have the wherewithal to ensure it does is another matter I guess

[AndrewT]

Some DUP pics.  Welcome home.

I'm no fan of the DUP but I think you can do a little better than an appallingly Photoshopped mural - there's enough fake news about.

[titaniumbean]

he's exceptionally smug. he been exceptionally successful though so he's kind of earnt it + it's intentional rather than a seeming character flaw.

edit he can still be a smug git and be hilarious no?

[doubleup]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

If the SNP hadn't collapsed, Labour would be announcing their cabinet about now.

Funny old game, if SNP voters had thought Labout had a cat in hells chance of doing so well, they probably wouldn't have voted Tory?

Actually a lot of Scottish Tory voters would vote DUP if they could.  The DUP/Tory hookup is a wet dream for them.

[The Camel]

he's exceptionally smug. he been exceptionally successful though so he's kind of earnt it + it's intentional rather than a seeming character flaw.

edit he can still be a smug git and be hilarious no?

The Office was corking of course. Extras was good too.

Just don't like his stand up sets. I'll take Stewart Lee any day.

[PokerBroker]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

If the SNP hadn't collapsed, Labour would be announcing their cabinet about now.

Funny old game, if SNP voters had thought Labout had a cat in hells chance of doing so well, they probably wouldn't have voted Tory?

Actually a lot of Scottish Tory voters would vote DUP if they could.  The DUP/Tory hookup is a wet dream for them.

Very much this. 

[nirvana]

Let's call what it is, this is bad for the country. A damaged prime minister propped by a bunch of loonies going into negotiations with the EU for the future of the country. We are absolutely worse off short term than a Tory landslide, if you look at things from any sensible political view.

It depends how you look at it.  I think a May or Corbyn majority would have been pretty disastrous.   May now has to rely on the support of moderates in her own party, so she can't carry on lurching to the right anymore.  Though I think we were facing an election where we ended up with a bag of shit whatever happened.  Even if May resigned, the odds suggested the alternatives were Boris Johnson or David Davis.  

I'm about at this point of view - I voted Labour but don't feel like 'we won'. I think it was some kind of triumph for people wanting a more socially focused agenda and people preferring the (on the face of it) slightly more straight talking approach of a number of the Labour front benchers than May's ridiculous campaign style.

Having to take legislation through parliament that will require a certain moderation and broader based support at times doesn't seem like the end of the world to me. In many ways I feel quite serene about the prospect of there being no overnight switch in fiscal emphasis whilst the result probably ensures the Tories have to shift left quite considerably

If the SNP hadn't collapsed, Labour would be announcing their cabinet about now.

Funny old game, if SNP voters had thought Labout had a cat in hells chance of doing so well, they probably wouldn't have voted Tory?

Actually a lot of Scottish Tory voters would vote DUP if they could.  The DUP/Tory hookup is a wet dream for them.

Read a short paragraph on FB yesterday from a former blonde poster. Wish I could remember the detail but it showed up my ignorance of Scottish politics as I hadn't realised that proudly voting Conservative was like a badge of honour for many of the young unionists in Scotland - I think that was the gist of it but my ignorance might mean I got that wrong - I know I thought it interesting at the time