The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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[DungBeetle]

Fine to be a republican, but just comes over petulant not to sign the national anthem at a service in my opinion. 

[horseplayer]

8.4 million households hit with a tax credit cut yesterday

But front pages are



Given Osborne free ride to bury as much  bad news as they can these first few weeks

[TightEnd]

George Galloway has just said on LBC that in the circumstances of yesterday he would have sung the national anthem. George Galloway! my jaw dropped

Its all well and good people having a go at the media, but Crbyn needs to be a lot more pragmatic. All very well being a principled idealist but to win an election you've got to win over those who don't share your ideals. He won a mandate of a small sub-sample of the electorate, the labour party, not the population as a whole

he can't actually come out and say "i'm a republican, i don't want to sing a song that asks a made up diety to save a billionaire woman who is in her job because of hereditary privilege" because that would be electoral suicide, the british people are overwhelmingly royalist,  so he's left looking like a wasp is in his mouth at the service and its an open goal

of course the press are going to go to town!

there is a fantastically droll column by william hague in today's telegraph that refers to the issues he has

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jeremy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html

[Woodsey]

George Galloway has just said on LBC that in the circumstances of yesterday he would have sung the national anthem. George Galloway! my jaw dropped

Its all well and good people having a go at the media, but Crbyn needs to be a lot more pragmatic. All very well being a principled idealist but to win an election you've got to win over those who don't share your ideals. He won a mandate of a small sub-sample of the electorate, the labour party, not the population as a whole

he can't actually come out and say "i'm a republican, i don't want to sing a song that asks a made up diety to save a billionaire woman who is in her job because of hereditary privilege" because that would be electoral suicide, the british people are overwhelmingly royalist,  so he's left looking like a wasp is in his mouth at the service and its an open goal

of course the press are going to go to town!

there is a fantastically droll column by william hague in today's telegraph that refers to the issues he has

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jeremy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html

We shouldn't be giving Corbyn any good ideas, let him continue as he wants, he will do himself more harm than good. Suits me....

[horseplayer]

[Jon MW]

I'm sure there are issues involved about looking after people with 'problems' - but I wouldn't say the benefits being cut for one month was the deciding factor in this (?)

[RickBFA]

For every individual like Camel who join the Labour Party or will vote Labour because of Corbyn, there will be a significantly higher number of the population that are turned off by him.

His unwillingness to play the political game will mean he will never get enough support from the average voter to get anywhere near power.

Being a rebel/non-conformist etc is easy when you are on the back bench - in power its going to land him in constant hot water with his own party and the majority of the voting electorate.

[neeko]

there is a fantastically droll column by william hague in today's telegraph that refers to the issues he has

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jeremy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html

I was interested that Hague says that Israel has nuclear weapons - I thought everyone pretended they don't.

[tikay]

George Galloway has just said on LBC that in the circumstances of yesterday he would have sung the national anthem. George Galloway! my jaw dropped

Its all well and good people having a go at the media, but Crbyn needs to be a lot more pragmatic. All very well being a principled idealist but to win an election you've got to win over those who don't share your ideals. He won a mandate of a small sub-sample of the electorate, the labour party, not the population as a whole

he can't actually come out and say "i'm a republican, i don't want to sing a song that asks a made up diety to save a billionaire woman who is in her job because of hereditary privilege" because that would be electoral suicide, the british people are overwhelmingly royalist,  so he's left looking like a wasp is in his mouth at the service and its an open goal

of course the press are going to go to town!

there is a fantastically droll column by william hague in today's telegraph that refers to the issues he has

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jeremy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html

Mr Hague writes far more effectively than he speaks.

[TightEnd]

some in the labour party now will say good riddance of course

but this would be quite a thing

"Will Blairites cross floor to Osborne?"

from Peston, not a right wing hack

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34267886

[RickBFA]

8.4 million households hit with a tax credit cut yesterday

But front pages are



Given Osborne free ride to bury as much  bad news as they can these first few weeks

It's critically important in a civilised society to help the least well off and to protect the most vulnerable. Any one with any decency wants to protect the poorest in society.

Where tax credits went wrong for me was to throw away that concept and pay tax credits to people earning up to £60k a year which was the case under the Labour Government. I remember a woman coming on the radio a couple of years ago moaning because the changes meant they couldn't save the tax credit money they had been receiving for their children's future!!

I just looked at the numbers now on the Which website for 15/16 tax year.

Single people can claim tax credits if income is below around £13,000.
Couples can claim tax credits if income is below around £18,000.
Families with one child below £30,000.
Families with two children below £35,000.
Families with three children below £40,000.

Where do you draw the line to protect the most vulnerable in society whilst trying to sensibly manage the countries spending?

[horseplayer]

Pmq's is good so far

Cameron already wishing for millibands return

[TightEnd]

Pmq's is good so far

Cameron already wishing for millibands return

lol, he is loving it. no blows landed

everyone on this thread, me included, just takes events and uses them for confirmastion bias

cameron is doing fine.

i like corbyn's approach, and on the evidence on one session it is more civil

[horseplayer]

One semi interesting thing

Corbyn hands are still when he speaks. Used to note millibands were very shaky and Camerons are to a lesser extent.

Years of public speaking I guess.