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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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SNP - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #3795 on: June 26, 2016, 12:27:16 PM »

another take (not sure i agree with it, its certainly an enormous headache)

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« Reply #3796 on: June 26, 2016, 12:29:02 PM »

James Atkin posted that a couple of pages back I think Tighty
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« Reply #3797 on: June 26, 2016, 12:29:45 PM »

There should be no secret ballot, if you want to oust your leader have the bollocks to do it in front of him.

the shadow cabinet are!

Some of them are that is true.  But the majority are weasels.

D Milliband for next Labour leader of is it too early?  
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« Reply #3798 on: June 26, 2016, 12:33:37 PM »

There should be no secret ballot, if you want to oust your leader have the bollocks to do it in front of him.

the shadow cabinet are!

Some of them are that is true.  But the majority are weasels.

D Milliband for next Labour leader of is it too early? 

not an MP and too right wing for the members

would walk a general election though.
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« Reply #3799 on: June 26, 2016, 12:35:08 PM »

James Atkin posted that a couple of pages back I think Tighty

thank you and sorry

its like an episode of house of cards on steroids.
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« Reply #3800 on: June 26, 2016, 12:37:40 PM »

Shadow Scottish Secretary Ian Murray quits shadow cabinet - he's their only Scottish MP too.
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« Reply #3801 on: June 26, 2016, 12:39:25 PM »

this may help

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and just ouch...

Diane Abbott: 'It's v.sad that Jeremy had to sack Hilary - we all remember his father, who was a great man...'

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« Reply #3802 on: June 26, 2016, 12:50:49 PM »

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Huge. Nicola Sturgeon on Sunday Politics Scotland says she would consider asking the Scottish parliament to block Brexit.
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« Reply #3803 on: June 26, 2016, 12:51:55 PM »

No, no! The awful Liam Fox wants to run. Literally the last person I would want in charge - I'd rather have Norman Tebbitt than Fox. Surely he has no credibility left anyway, if he ever had any?

Replace Liam Fox with Nicky Morgan in that sentence and it works just as well.
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« Reply #3804 on: June 26, 2016, 12:53:30 PM »

As mentioned previously, I couldn't make my mind up and thus did not vote. If the vote was held again tomorrow I would vote remain, not because I feel it is so wrong to leave but because I cannot believe how utterly unprepared the Brexiters are. There appears to be no coherent plan, a mountain of issues that were not highlighted enough during the campaigns and most of the brexiters have no idea how to do the things they sold an exit vote on such as reducing immigration figures.

It is all very well saying that we need to unite and make it work but the majority of those who have won the vote do not know what the %%^& to do now. To describe the exit vote as a kneejerk reaction would be one of the most monumental understatements ever. The whole of the UK political, economic and social landscape looks a total mess.

It is hard to even see a way out of it! If there were to be a 2nd EU vote which voted remain or if the commons finds a way to stop this then there will be anarchy after the original EU exit vote. And as someone who hated the fear campaigning by both sides I have to concede that if a way is found to go ahead with the EU exit, even then this option looks like an almost unworkable nightmare that will take at a minimum decades to deliver any significant normality.
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« Reply #3805 on: June 26, 2016, 12:58:19 PM »

I'm so glad the campaign is over. Each passing minute with a concensus not to trigger article 50 tells you this isn't over. Turmoil gonna get so great that Blairs perspective around people getting to see the consequences is gonna frit people so hard and people don't need much to frighten them. Project fear in 3rd gear now..there's a way to go yet
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« Reply #3806 on: June 26, 2016, 12:59:44 PM »

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Huge. Nicola Sturgeon on Sunday Politics Scotland says she would consider asking the Scottish parliament to block Brexit.


Go.Nicola

Meanwhile "no more Polish vermin" cards pushed through doors in Huntingdon.

Numerous racist incidents reported on twitter

Seems like every racist and xenophobe has found their voice.
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« Reply #3807 on: June 26, 2016, 01:01:32 PM »

the video of it

Scotland's First Minister NicolaSturgeon on potentially blocking British exit from EU

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« Reply #3808 on: June 26, 2016, 01:01:46 PM »

I'm so glad the campaign is over. Each passing minute with a concensus not to trigger article 50 tells you this isn't over. Turmoil gonna get so great that Blairs perspective around people getting to see the consequences is gonna frit people so hard and people don't need much to frighten them. Project fear in 3rd gear now..there's a way to go yet

Yep, chuck in two leadership elections, a US election, a general election and potential independence referendums too.

I personally think that, one way or another, we will not be leaving Europe.

I for one will be stocking up on milk and bread, that's for sure.
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« Reply #3809 on: June 26, 2016, 01:05:11 PM »

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"The prime minister's resigned. No-one knows who the next occupant of Number 10 will be.

And today, some of the most senior figures in the Labour Party are trying to push their leader out too. There have been concerns about Jeremy Corbyn's performance for months and months. But it was his role, or lack of role, in the campaign to keep the UK in the EU, and his sacking of Hilary Benn in the middle of the night, that has given members of the shadow cabinet the final reasons to quit. Several have already gone, as many as half will be gone by the end of the day, I understand.

And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".

One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".

A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour , discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.

The documents show concern in Labour and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says "what is going on here?". Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.

Mr Corbyn has insisted publicly that he campaigned hard to keep the country in the EU and that he made a number of speeches around the country, and attended many campaigning events. But many shadow cabinet ministers believe his performance in the campaign has shown that he is simply not capable of leading the party. One senior figure told me: "People have just had enough and are embarrassed to be part of it." Jeremy Corbyn's team are adamant that he will stand again for the leadership, and they believe the party's members would back him again.

He has had persuasive and vehement backing from the party's members who he energised last summer. But as the Labour party reels from Thursday's result, it is not clear that support will be as solid as it was. MPs report that some of their members are contacting them to say they've changed their minds about Mr Corbyn. We'll see. It's possible that within days, both of our two main political parties will be looking for a new leader. "
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