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[Sheriff Fatman]

Latest ICM

Conservatives: 47% (down 1 from ICM last week)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Lib Dems: 8% (down 2)
Ukip: 8% (up 1)
Greens: 4% (up 1)

Theresa May is running a: Good campaign: 41% Bad campaign: 22%
Jeremy Corbyn: Good campaign: 21% Bad campaign: 40%

(via @ICMResearch)

perhaps i follow it too closely, but i cannot stand the May campaign (speaking in empty halls,no questions from the press,robotic soundbites etc). I suppose "man on the street" couldn't give a toss thoughordoesn't even notice/care, or minds are made up?

The only thing I can attribute the slightly improved Labour numbers in the polling is that people are sick to death with the "strong and stable" on auto-repeat rhetoric she's determined to stick to throughout the campaign.

They've clearly decided on a tactic of saying pretty much nothing until polling day.  Cowardly as it is, it will probably prove extremely effective in such a one-sided election.

[nirvana]

Latest ICM

Conservatives: 47% (down 1 from ICM last week)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Lib Dems: 8% (down 2)
Ukip: 8% (up 1)
Greens: 4% (up 1)

Theresa May is running a: Good campaign: 41% Bad campaign: 22%
Jeremy Corbyn: Good campaign: 21% Bad campaign: 40%

(via @ICMResearch)

perhaps i follow it too closely, but i cannot stand the May campaign (speaking in empty halls,no questions from the press,robotic soundbites etc). I suppose "man on the street" couldn't give a toss thoughordoesn't even notice/care, or minds are made up?

No one cares because I'm pretty sure Labour are written off in the minds of too many people.

Even if you like Corbyn, I quite like him, there are too many errors of judgement even for people like me. I started the campaign pretty confident I'd vote Labour but I'm starting to waver.

The Diane Abbot thing today is a reminder of the absolute worst of Labour - she'd compete with Theresa in the vacuity stakes, she has an inimical style, deals with the hypocrisy of sending her children to public school with equanimity and would have a top job in a Labour cabinet - that's a fkn joke and Corbyn would be responsible. Come and straddle me Theresa, I'm yours for the taking

[Karabiner]

Latest ICM

Conservatives: 47% (down 1 from ICM last week)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Lib Dems: 8% (down 2)
Ukip: 8% (up 1)
Greens: 4% (up 1)

Theresa May is running a: Good campaign: 41% Bad campaign: 22%
Jeremy Corbyn: Good campaign: 21% Bad campaign: 40%

(via @ICMResearch)

perhaps i follow it too closely, but i cannot stand the May campaign (speaking in empty halls,no questions from the press,robotic soundbites etc). I suppose "man on the street" couldn't give a toss thoughordoesn't even notice/care, or minds are made up?

No one cares because I'm pretty sure Labour are written off in the minds of too many people.

Even if you like Corbyn, I quite like him, there are too many errors of judgement even for people like me. I started the campaign pretty confident I'd vote Labour but I'm starting to waver.

The Diane Abbot thing today is a reminder of the absolute worst of Labour - she'd compete with Theresa in the vacuity stakes, she has an inimical style, deals with the hypocrisy of sending her children to public school with equanimity and would have a top job in a Labour cabinet - that's a fkn joke and Corbyn would be responsible. Come and straddle me Theresa, I'm yours for the taking

Just think of strong and stable leadership to the tune of All Things Bright and Beautiful - that should calm you down.

[nirvana]

Latest ICM

Conservatives: 47% (down 1 from ICM last week)
Labour: 28% (up 1)
Lib Dems: 8% (down 2)
Ukip: 8% (up 1)
Greens: 4% (up 1)

Theresa May is running a: Good campaign: 41% Bad campaign: 22%
Jeremy Corbyn: Good campaign: 21% Bad campaign: 40%

(via @ICMResearch)

perhaps i follow it too closely, but i cannot stand the May campaign (speaking in empty halls,no questions from the press,robotic soundbites etc). I suppose "man on the street" couldn't give a toss thoughordoesn't even notice/care, or minds are made up?

No one cares because I'm pretty sure Labour are written off in the minds of too many people.

Even if you like Corbyn, I quite like him, there are too many errors of judgement even for people like me. I started the campaign pretty confident I'd vote Labour but I'm starting to waver.

The Diane Abbot thing today is a reminder of the absolute worst of Labour - she'd compete with Theresa in the vacuity stakes, she has an inimical style, deals with the hypocrisy of sending her children to public school with equanimity and would have a top job in a Labour cabinet - that's a fkn joke and Corbyn would be responsible. Come and straddle me Theresa, I'm yours for the taking

Just think of strong and stable leadership to the tune of All Things Bright and Beautiful - that should calm you down.

Top marks, made me laugh and took the edge off my seething

[PokerBroker]

It was looking like Labour were actually catching a break then they let that mug go out her way today to cause another train wreck.

I have many friends in the antifa/left circles who deeply hate Dianne.  She's been the cause of more own goals than most. 

I'd really like to the electorate turn on her. 

[MANTIS01]

Juncker wants £100 billion...ROFL!

[Cf]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

[BigAdz]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

[PokerBroker]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

Well do they and if they do why don't they share them. 

Well I suppose there is always the rape clause that's a good move oh yeah and ending the tripple lock on pensions and doubling the national debt.  Just what we need from a strong and stable government. 

[TightEnd]

Do the tories have any polices other than strong and stable leadership, a strong hand in the brexit negotiations, and telling us labour are rubbish?

Lol.

Is that you Jeremy?

Well do they and if they do why don't they share them. 

Well I suppose there is always the rape clause that's a good move oh yeah and ending the tripple lock on pensions and doubling the national debt.  Just what we need from a strong and stable government. 

the triple lock on pensions probably should be ended. very difficult to do politically

as to the question.they are 20% ahead in the polls. They can play counter attack, sit back 10 men behind the ball, wait for the next Labour spokesman to open their mouth then break at pace.

granted May seems to be happy enough to dribble the ball in off the defender's backside rather than scoring a glorious 25 yard volley but she's not a natural campaigner, bit of an introvert.

So the controlled soundbites to an electorate that largely appears to have made up its mind is the lowest risk strategy as it seems to me that middle england just can't countenance Corbyn in any shape or form negotiating brexit let alone Abbott chairing a cobra committee with anti-terrorism officers etc

[TightEnd]

Juncker wants £100 billion...ROFL!

could you have scripted a better 10 o clock news last night

item 1. May touring cornwall,saying she is going to be a "bloody difficult woman" with the Europeans. plays great with leave voters

item 2 dianne abbott does Maths. plays great with plenty of voters who can't stand her and it plays to a Labour weak point, can you trust them with the economy etc etc

item 3 Jncker wants a hundred billion. see item 1. Brits want to tell him to get stuffed

[TightEnd]

from today's times

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[TightEnd]

Juncker wants £100 billion...ROFL!

but it struck me

The emphasis on money from the EU side is a reminder of how much they need it to avoid Brexit blowing a hole in their budget?

In the long run, this could be where the deal's done: a large, 1-off UK payment (sold to the uk voters as several years contributions only) paving way for tariff free, relatively frictionless access ?

[TightEnd]

and here it is in print

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[TightEnd]

i had to chuckle

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