The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[Woodsey]

^ Politics is the ultimate sales job, some of them are the best of the best, I totally envy the communication skills of the better ones, not donk Abbott obviously 

[Jon MW]

... The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  
...

The last time I saw a survey on it the results were about 25% actually have what would normally be considered working class jobs - but about 60% of people self-identify as working class.

I don't think Labour would have a problem if it was seen as a party for the working class - I think it has a problem as being seen as a socialist party.

If Labour could re-align towards what the Liberal party used to be like then I think it would have no problem in attracting the working class vote - and as most people think they're working class, that would leave it with a comfortable majority.

[The Camel]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

[arbboy]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

[The Camel]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

[arbboy]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

[Doobs]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

It isn't a flip. It is made up bollocks

[arbboy]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

It isn't a flip. It is made up bollocks

i thought camel had swallowed some left wing garbage tbh.  105 is insane.

[Marky147]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

Grandad done alright, as I'm 60 years behind him, and fucked

[arbboy]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

Grandad done alright, as I'm 60 years behind him, and fucked

He has done a real shift as well over the years. That makes me think Camel's 105 guess up might be close in a hundred years time.  Very worrying if true.

[Woodsey]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

It isn't a flip. It is made up bollocks

i thought camel had swallowed some left wing garbage tbh.

Wouldn't be the first time 

[Marky147]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

Grandad done alright, as I'm 60 years behind him, and fucked

He has done a real shift as well over the years. That makes me think Camel's 105 guess up might be close in a hundred years time.  Very worrying if true.

Those old boys all put in a shift. I used to love sitting in the local on a Sunday having a drink with them.

[arbboy]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

The amazing con trick the Tories and the mass media has pulled off is to make ordinary people to believe the reason their lives are shit is the fault of the EU and mass immigration.

What and who will they blame in thirty years time when the population is aging, there isn't enough money to fund the massive increase of care homes and not enough people prepared to work in the care industry?

I saw a horrifying stat prediction the other day. Apparently a child born today is even money to live to 105. One hundred and bloody five. Good luck coping with that crisis in three generations time.

My grandad is 96 and i seriously don't want to be alive at that age give how he is struggling just to get about.  105 is mind boggling.  I still find that amazing that it is a flip to get to 105.  Obesity will kill off most of the kids if nothing changes way before 100 never mind 105.

Grandad done alright, as I'm 60 years behind him, and fucked

He has done a real shift as well over the years. That makes me think Camel's 105 guess up might be close in a hundred years time.  Very worrying if true.

Those old boys all put in a shift. I used to love sitting in the local on a Sunday having a drink with them.

He does rip the piss out of me when i moan about how stressful my life is (whilst living in a £500k house that he bought in 1971 for £1800) in the same arm chair that he bought in 1971 whilst gran brings him a cup of tea!  When you have knocked out 20 large in a month and the legend that is your grandad tells you 'you don't even work son' it is hard to bite your lip.  He is always right mind compared to his life i have never done a days work in my life. haha

[neeko]

I spent the afternoon in the boozer reading this thread whilst having a few beers obviously and there were a bunch of working class stokie type guys on the table next to me which really summed up why the labour party is fucked.   They were all £30k max types who are social climbers who fancy themselves a bit but should be hard core lefties but dressed in their corporate polo shirts so clearly not close to senior management just having a drink after work like any normal working class type would years ago.  They all said 'i used to be labour when i was skint but i am middle class (lolllllzzzzz) now'.  I really think all joking aside the labour party just doesn't appeal to the vast majority of people in this country any more when people like this are talking like this.  UKIP has run its course and all their votes are just going to the tories because very few people in this country would want to admit to voting for a socialist ultra left party that Jezza dreams of.  The world has changed so much in the last 20 years that the vast majority of people under 35 really do see themselves in a different light to their parents and grand parents.  There are so few 'proper' working class jobs nowadays that actually existed in teh 1980s when i was a kid.  Back then those people were proud to be labour.  Even though in most cases they will worse off financially than them they consider themselves middle class (wtf does middle class mean nowadays? - i think of woodseys types who say i am middle class! )  Nobody wants to consider themselves working class any more.  Social media and seflies have changed the ego about how the vast majority of people see themselves.  

It makes you realise how talented Blair was 20 years ago selling the story the other way to middle class 'mondeo man' types and turning them from tories into lefties.  Politics is nothing but a sales job in reality.

As for Abbott RIP Diane your time is up.  You have lived the champagne socialist gravy train through the best years of your life and had it right off.  I hope you looked after the ill gotten gains.  D abbot v Choo choo on the 'this week' sofa has been a bigger mis match than Chelsea v Sunderland this season for 10 years.  At least Choo choo won't have to chuckle politely every time you open your mouth on the sofa any more.  Surely the bbc sack her off now?  Sleeping with the boss surely can only take you so far in any job?  

I think it goes back to Maggie selling off the council houses.

Swathes of working class people who had never owned a house suddenly thought of themselves as middle class.

The working class was squeezed out, those who missed out became a new underclass, the homeless, the unemployed and the unemployable. And no one gives a shit about them any more.

The fact that so many working class jobs are no longer available due to improvements in technology meaning it takes one man on a computer controlling robots to do the work of 50, reinforces the fact there is no working class any more.

I agree totally with you which is why i think the labour party has no role in modern day society even more than UKIP does after brexit.  Isn't this the real reason for the decline in the labour vote because they don't really represent anyone in UK society any more?  Corbs stands for everything that is labour but no one wants what he stands for anymore.  The mines are closed.  The steelworks are closed etc etc.  The world has moved on.

But trump played the same the miners card in his election (51k jobs in the whole of the US, 2016 growth in solar related jobs =55k to 1/4m {irrelevant} )  packaged correctly "nationalism" + blue collar jobs can give a win, but the people who actually vote (the older generation) want their preconceptions validated:

The past was great, we can have more of it, strong leader, foreigners bad (point at white Europe but mean muslims really), a few election bribes, national savings ISAs at a high rate - call it BRITISH BONDS FOR THE FURTURE - 4% for 3 years, {should go down well}, gtee bus passes for over 65s and give back the triple lock on pensions, (Brexit has screwed sterling so inflation will be above 2.5% anyway so no real cost there). Save the green belt, and £10bn for the NHS (don't mention a time period,sounds a lot, bound to get away with it). If that does not work slag off the other leader for something unprovable, and claim they will raise taxes.

This will work for left or right, just do it consistently, then you need voters to remember some inane slogan "make Britain great again" is free

[Marky147]

He does rip the piss out of me when i moan about how stressful my life is (whilst living in a £500k house that he bought in 1971 for £1800) in the same arm chair that he bought in 1971 whilst gran brings him a cup of tea!  When you have knocked out 20 large in a month and the legend that is your grandad tells you 'you don't even work son' it is hard to bite your lip.  He is always right mind compared to his life i have never done a days work in my life. haha

Incred