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« Reply #10365 on: June 30, 2017, 02:43:01 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.
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« Reply #10366 on: June 30, 2017, 02:53:17 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them
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« Reply #10367 on: June 30, 2017, 03:51:38 PM »

Lowest household savings ratio in 54 years

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Rapid surge in consumer borrowing

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debt remains elevated & 2016 credit surge can't be sustained. Means renewed income squeeze likely to weigh heavily on economic growth

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 increase in the use of minimum repayment on credit cards

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Delayed pain only a matter of time now before the proper pinch comes which could have happened years ago if winning votes wasn't such a big deal in the short term for political parties.  Artificial policies to tinker with house prices/markets by successive governments and keep borrowing/interest rates to record lows just saved up the pain which has to come at some stage.  House prices now at 6-10 times average earnings depending on the region close to record highs and a potential car finance debt bubble about to explode on top of that at record highs yet all the data from those graphs suggests everyone is skint.  Doesn't make sense.  Lot of people with their head in the sand living beyond their means going to get some real shocks very soon me thinks as soon as IR start to rise.

agree tough times ahead for lots of people.
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« Reply #10368 on: June 30, 2017, 04:00:36 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them

There was also a kind of 'let's all agree not to talk about Brexit' strategy within Labour that, for some reason, no one else really managed to exploit.
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« Reply #10369 on: June 30, 2017, 04:19:53 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them

There was also a kind of 'let's all agree not to talk about Brexit' strategy within Labour that, for some reason, no one else really managed to exploit.

I think this is all about right, also chimes with my view that people in general don't really give a rat's ass about Brexit or not but will give their view when asked. Rightly, I think, people realise their own personal wellbeing is much more affected by our Government than the pretty neutral effect of whether we are in the EU or not
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« Reply #10370 on: June 30, 2017, 06:25:30 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them

There was also a kind of 'let's all agree not to talk about Brexit' strategy within Labour that, for some reason, no one else really managed to exploit.

I think this is all about right, also chimes with my view that people in general don't really give a rat's ass about Brexit or not but will give their view when asked. Rightly, I think, people realise their own personal wellbeing is much more affected by our Government than the pretty neutral effect of whether we are in the EU or not

Labour can say or do what they want, if you are looking for people to blame for Brexit, bar Farage theyre all there on the tory front benches. If you want to protest brexit, you want to hurt the tory party, in most areas labour are the only option. Labours policies also work better without the EU being to interfere/ block them. If labour get in and get their policies through, tories who caused brexit have actually inspired the movement by removing their biggest obstacle.
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« Reply #10371 on: June 30, 2017, 06:53:48 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


https://reaction.life/jeremy-hard-brexit-corbyn-secret-hero-eurosceptic-movement/


It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them

There was also a kind of 'let's all agree not to talk about Brexit' strategy within Labour that, for some reason, no one else really managed to exploit.

I think this is all about right, also chimes with my view that people in general don't really give a rat's ass about Brexit or not but will give their view when asked. Rightly, I think, people realise their own personal wellbeing is much more affected by our Government than the pretty neutral effect of whether we are in the EU or not

Labour can say or do what they want, if you are looking for people to blame for Brexit, bar Farage theyre all there on the tory front benches. If you want to protest brexit, you want to hurt the tory party, in most areas labour are the only option. Labours policies also work better without the EU being to interfere/ block them. If labour get in and get their policies through, tories who caused brexit have actually inspired the movement by removing their biggest obstacle.

First sentence is spot on..good tactic though to talk about a jobs first Brexit. Completely meaningless but kind of acknowledges both sides of the debate (such as there is one).
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« Reply #10372 on: June 30, 2017, 08:23:33 PM »

Jeremy Hard Brexit Corbyn is a secret hero of the eurosceptic movement.


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It's an amazing trick that so many left leaning people seem to think that Labour is pro remain. The pro remainers in labour will be cleansed by the Stalinists over time whenever the opportunity presents.

and it was a big failing of the lib dems not to get the message across

added to that fewer people voted with brexit at the front of their minds anyway than might have been expected, I suppose many pro-remainers still voted Labour because the policiies on anti austerity were more important to them

There was also a kind of 'let's all agree not to talk about Brexit' strategy within Labour that, for some reason, no one else really managed to exploit.

I think this is all about right, also chimes with my view that people in general don't really give a rat's ass about Brexit or not but will give their view when asked. Rightly, I think, people realise their own personal wellbeing is much more affected by our Government than the pretty neutral effect of whether we are in the EU or not

 
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« Reply #10373 on: June 30, 2017, 09:29:30 PM »

Has there ever been a large financial crisis/bubble that has been projected so strongly and adamantly? Normally financial crashes or bubbles burst when everyone is confident and becomes complacent. If not, then will this be a really really nasty time ahead of us? People are realllllly feeling the squeeze, especially ones with low incomes and/or high debt so what on earth is going to happen if the banks collapse?
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« Reply #10374 on: June 30, 2017, 11:37:58 PM »

Has there ever been a large financial crisis/bubble that has been projected so strongly and adamantly? Normally financial crashes or bubbles burst when everyone is confident and becomes complacent. If not, then will this be a really really nasty time ahead of us? People are realllllly feeling the squeeze, especially ones with low incomes and/or high debt so what on earth is going to happen if the banks collapse?

True bubbles don't seem to happen when everyone is scared of them. I think the stock market thing is largely just lol tech bubble. People are pretty clueless as to what actually constitutes a bubble. For example if bitcoin had fallen from 2999 to 1300 it would have still been in a bull market...

Personally I don't see the market leaders who appear to be "overvalued" disappearing anytime soon. (Google/FB/Amazon)

I'm not trying to say its a good time to invest for what its worth, just that we have a little while to go yet in my not too well informed opinion.
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« Reply #10375 on: July 01, 2017, 03:59:12 AM »

I think corbyn sacking a trio of front benchers could turn out to be a master stroke if we see an election soon, which I think we might. 

I seen some posts on social media over the last few days about the tories hiring campaign managers so I'd assume  another snap general election isn't too far away if these positions are legit.

I'm pretty cynical of the establishment at the best of times but in times like now my senses are that the tories may deliberatelt try and lose the next elections, its clear as day nobody wants to lead the party and not one of them want their political legacy to be the deliverance of brexit because they know ultimately that brexit is bad for them. 

I still firmly believe there is a very good socialist case for coming out the EU but it wasn't made, and I think if Corbyn plays it right he could end up looking like a genius.  Probably accidentally. 
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« Reply #10376 on: July 01, 2017, 10:07:00 AM »

Corbyn is a Eurosceptic, but that isn't Labour Remainers' problem:

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/time-running-out-remainer-mps-who-want-prevent-hard-brexit
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« Reply #10377 on: July 01, 2017, 10:08:10 AM »

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« Reply #10378 on: July 01, 2017, 10:09:18 AM »

Theresa May has 'hamstrung' David Davis in Brexit talks

Theresa May has made David Davis's job more difficult by setting "red lines" for him in Brexit talks, his ex-chief of staff has told the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40461496
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« Reply #10379 on: July 01, 2017, 12:48:52 PM »

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Well if that isn't the most infographic I've ever seen then I don't know what is. Hollllllly shit look at the discontent among the conservative supporters post election.
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