The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

[Woodsey]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

You are on your own list simply because you have a blinkered view and can’t accept different opinions, and that’s all it is......a different opinion. FWIW I don’t care what yours or anyone’s opinions are, I only care about the sanctimonious and condescending way in which you say it, for that you need the occasional jab up the arse on here and you fully deserve it.

[MANTIS01]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

[kukushkin88]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

[Woodsey]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

[kukushkin88]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

Our opinions obviously aren't facts, what I wrote are facts. My opinion is that running public services in to the ground was a terrible response to the financial crisis. You've just been conned that funding public services is bad for the economy, there's no evidence to support this.

[Woodsey]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

Our opinions obviously aren't facts, what I wrote are facts. My opinion is that running public services in to the ground was a terrible response to the financial crisis. You've just been conned that funding public services is bad for the economy, there's no evidence to support this.

Yes but the ‘facts’ you have presented would have been different under a different govt, my opinion is those ‘facts’ would have been worse under a useless labour govt that usually pisses money away.

I haven’t been conned about anything, we just disagree on the amount of money spent on public services versus reducing the national debt. But you are a civil servant so I understand why you might hold that opinion......

[RickBFA]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

I tried to point out earlier that “facts” can be manipulated.

In your facts you stated that life expectancy has declined in certain areas. I gave you a fact that overall in the UK, life expectancy under the Tories has actually increased.

You’ve chosen to try to cherry pick information that suits your argument. The overall UK position is clearly a more reasonable measure if we are being reasonable and fair.

You’re being selective and disingenuous.

[Woodsey]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

I tried to point out earlier that “facts” can be manipulated.

In your facts you stated that life expectancy has declined in certain areas. I gave you a fact that overall in the UK, life expectancy under the Tories has actually increased.

You’ve chosen to try to cherry pick information that suits your argument. The overall UK position is clearly a more reasonable measure if we are bring reasonable and fair.

Your being selective and disingenuous.

All that aside, with obesity going up the general expectation is that LE will go down at some point, hardly the govts fault anyway. I’m a fat fk and that has nothing to do with the govt, I just eat shit food and drink too much 

[kukushkin88]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

I tried to point out earlier that “facts” can be manipulated.

In your facts you stated that life expectancy has declined in certain areas. I gave you a fact that overall in the UK, life expectancy under the Tories has actually increased.

You’ve chosen to try to cherry pick information that suits your argument. The overall UK position is clearly a more reasonable measure if we are being reasonable and fair.

You’re being selective and disingenuous.

It's not true, prior to this government, life expectancy in all areas increased, overall is not the meaningful comparison.

[rfgqqabc]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

Our opinions obviously aren't facts, what I wrote are facts. My opinion is that running public services in to the ground was a terrible response to the financial crisis. You've just been conned that funding public services is bad for the economy, there's no evidence to support this.

Yes but the ‘facts’ you have presented would have been different under a different govt, my opinion is those ‘facts’ would have been worse under a useless labour govt that usually pisses money away.

I haven’t been conned about anything, we just disagree on the amount of money spent on public services versus reducing the national debt. But you are a civil servant so I understand why you might hold that opinion......

National debt hasn't been reduced but it has flatlined in recent years. Tory Government hasn't had a surplus yet. Largely due to economic conditions ofc but in the facts business

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

[MANTIS01]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

I'm asking what FACTS you have to sustain your conclusion that me and Woodsey are simpletons? The fact there are more food banks isn't working for me.

[Woodsey]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

Our opinions obviously aren't facts, what I wrote are facts. My opinion is that running public services in to the ground was a terrible response to the financial crisis. You've just been conned that funding public services is bad for the economy, there's no evidence to support this.

Yes but the ‘facts’ you have presented would have been different under a different govt, my opinion is those ‘facts’ would have been worse under a useless labour govt that usually pisses money away.

I haven’t been conned about anything, we just disagree on the amount of money spent on public services versus reducing the national debt. But you are a civil servant so I understand why you might hold that opinion......

National debt hasn't been reduced but it has flatlined in recent years. Tory Government hasn't had a surplus yet. Largely due to economic conditions ofc but in the facts business

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

Yes I know  

What’s that got to do with I believe  labour would have done a worse job?

[TightEnd]

Imagine the scene: Theresa May faces a critical Brexit vote – this spring, perhaps. With the support of the DUP, the government believes it has just enough votes to carry the day.

Then Sinn Fein makes its dramatic move.

https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/03/sinn-fein-question-could-party-stop-hard-brexit

[rfgqqabc]

With horrid cesspit, racialist government producing worst stats since Boer War Jezza gotta be one of the two simpletons right?

The problem is we haven't in my lifetime fought elections based on true things or facts. Milton Friedman realised truth would be a massive problem and modern Conservativism was born. I guess that's the irony, Corbyn is specifically trying to make the discussion about facts, if he does that, he wins.

The simpletons are you and Woodsey, there would be a mention for me but my desire to keep learning keeps me off the list, just. Next time I get suckered in to drunkenly abusing a simpleton, I might have to reconsider and join the list myself.

The real problem is you can't back up your simpleton accusations with any facts, statistics or evidence. Which is your chosen method of proving a point. So the real irony is that you aren't specifically making the discussion about facts like yo hero Corbyn. If you did that you would win. Instead you are reacting to things that are merely said and as previously described I mostly banter. So your emotional reactions and firm conclusions towards banter are exactly the reactions the electorate have to messages 'modern Conservatism' peddle. Because people are people just like you. So Jezza spouting facts means he never actually wins hence he must be one of the simpletons.

Facts:

Wages lower now than 2010
More people in poverty than 2010
More people homeless than 2010
Life expectancy in decline in some parts of UK
More people who are in employment in poverty than 2010
Record numbers using food banks

That really is the tip of the iceberg, the thread is full of facts though, so I don't really understand what you're saying.

Fact: The Tories inherited an economy that was fked because of the financial crisis and how labour dealt with it in the immediate aftermath. You cannot say whether a labour government would have dealt with it better in the longer term. My opinion is labour would have pissed more more away and left us in a worse position that it is now, you will disagree but that is your opinion not fact.

Our opinions obviously aren't facts, what I wrote are facts. My opinion is that running public services in to the ground was a terrible response to the financial crisis. You've just been conned that funding public services is bad for the economy, there's no evidence to support this.

Yes but the ‘facts’ you have presented would have been different under a different govt, my opinion is those ‘facts’ would have been worse under a useless labour govt that usually pisses money away.

I haven’t been conned about anything, we just disagree on the amount of money spent on public services versus reducing the national debt. But you are a civil servant so I understand why you might hold that opinion......

National debt hasn't been reduced but it has flatlined in recent years. Tory Government hasn't had a surplus yet. Largely due to economic conditions ofc but in the facts business

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_national_debt_chart.html

Yes I know  

What’s that got to do with I believe  labour would have done a worse job?

I didn't think you knew as you wrote reducing thats all. It seems weird to me to write reducing if you know it is not being reduced. I think its a common misconception due to the word austerity being thrown around.

I thought I'd preempted the snarky, boring reply by mitigating the response by discussing economic conditions. I thought the smiley made it obvious it was bants.