The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

YouGov has done the first polling on Windrush generation issue and pretty much everyone in Britain aside from a handful of UKIP voters wants this sorted.

(Support for their right to reside is slightly higher among older voters than younger voters.)

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/surveys/results#/survey/59c510c1-4156-11e8-8feb-f36816a7f072/question/81af9294-4156-11e8-8feb-f36816a7f072/age

[TightEnd]

The Windrush case is a perfect example of the government's desire for "closer links" with the Commonwealth colliding with its hostile immigration policy.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/04/commonwealth-delusion-why-empire-20-no-substitute-eu

[TightEnd]

Generation Windrush is probably only the beginning of the Tories' hostile environment induced misery,

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/04/problem-generation-windrush-goes-further-any-one-minister

[TightEnd]

the shifting balance of being bothered about Brexit,

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/17/zealots-sleepwalk-brexit-theresa-may

[DungBeetle]

I guess I thought the UN Charter was enshrined in law, I might be wrong. Still a big shout for the regime to do this, they will be terrified if they hit anything Russian.

At what point do you draw a line in the sand? When they use chemical weapons another once, twice on civilians and children?

If they do nothing it gives the Russians and Assad a green light to do it again.

You don’t think Assad will think about the consequences before doing it again? Wouldn’t this potentially save lives in future?

I meant to apologise for not answering more directly before, two weeks back. I'll try now. Chemical attacks are emotive but he will kill his enemies by a variety of means. Chemical weapons are a small part of the mass murder in Syria.

We all agree that it's tragic when children are killed but let's keep perspective, the so called 'austerity' in the UK kills children as well.

I’ve got no idea how you can even compare a war that’s killed hundreds of thousands with austerity, sounds like you are just desperate to score political points.

So, Syrian civil war estimated deaths 450,000, austerity estimated deaths, 120,000. They are comparable numbers, one of our countries isn't at war, until today.

Ok Dr Googlestein, maybe you should read the other research out there questioning those numbers and what the range of possible causes may be rather than just posting numbers that suit you from google. You never know it might help you have a more rounded opinion on stuff like this rather than trying to compare a ludicrous comparison of disastrous war with govt spending. The jury is also out whether labour would have done a better done given the terrible financial position labour left the Tories to deal with.

So New Labour caused a global financial crisis? Are you serious? I can never tell. It's almost like the infamous jokey note left in the treasury caused so much confusion in the new government they were looking around for money and couldn't find any.

The regime since May took over has, lost power, bought power from religious nutters and worked continually against the interests of its own people to assist the wealthy. Your pension did a little worse under New Labour because they didn't want to run the NHS in to the ground. Are you really saying that running the NHS in to the ground so your pension grows a bit is good? Austerity killed more people than chemical weapons, just so people with plenty could have a little more.

This is ridiculous.  Chemical weapons verses levels of Government spending?  Get a grip.

[Woodsey]

I guess I thought the UN Charter was enshrined in law, I might be wrong. Still a big shout for the regime to do this, they will be terrified if they hit anything Russian.

At what point do you draw a line in the sand? When they use chemical weapons another once, twice on civilians and children?

If they do nothing it gives the Russians and Assad a green light to do it again.

You don’t think Assad will think about the consequences before doing it again? Wouldn’t this potentially save lives in future?

I meant to apologise for not answering more directly before, two weeks back. I'll try now. Chemical attacks are emotive but he will kill his enemies by a variety of means. Chemical weapons are a small part of the mass murder in Syria.

We all agree that it's tragic when children are killed but let's keep perspective, the so called 'austerity' in the UK kills children as well.

I’ve got no idea how you can even compare a war that’s killed hundreds of thousands with austerity, sounds like you are just desperate to score political points.

So, Syrian civil war estimated deaths 450,000, austerity estimated deaths, 120,000. They are comparable numbers, one of our countries isn't at war, until today.

Ok Dr Googlestein, maybe you should read the other research out there questioning those numbers and what the range of possible causes may be rather than just posting numbers that suit you from google. You never know it might help you have a more rounded opinion on stuff like this rather than trying to compare a ludicrous comparison of disastrous war with govt spending. The jury is also out whether labour would have done a better done given the terrible financial position labour left the Tories to deal with.

So New Labour caused a global financial crisis? Are you serious? I can never tell. It's almost like the infamous jokey note left in the treasury caused so much confusion in the new government they were looking around for money and couldn't find any.

The regime since May took over has, lost power, bought power from religious nutters and worked continually against the interests of its own people to assist the wealthy. Your pension did a little worse under New Labour because they didn't want to run the NHS in to the ground. Are you really saying that running the NHS in to the ground so your pension grows a bit is good? Austerity killed more people than chemical weapons, just so people with plenty could have a little more.

This is ridiculous.  Chemical weapons verses levels of Government spending?  Get a grip.

How dare you challenge Dr Googlefacticantpossiblywrongstein!  

[RED-DOG]

Trump 'will walk out' if North Korea talks not fruitful

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43818751


Ever the diplomat our Donald. That's just the kind of statement we need to pave the way for constructive talks.

[TightEnd]

A Labour MP campaigning against anti-Semitism said his wife was sent a dead bird by Marxist anti-Semites on the left.

That's just one of the things we learned from MPs debating anti-Semitism in the House of Commons

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/04/five-things-we-learned-parliament-s-anti-semitism-debate

[TightEnd]

Private eye at its best (couldn't resist, sorry)

[TightEnd]

Antisemitism: Two thirds think Corbyn’s Labour has prejudice problem says poll.

The only other party with a comparable score was UKIP.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-racism-anti-semitism-religion-jewish-ukip-israel-palestine-a8305706.html

[TightEnd]

More Than 50 Labour MPs Defy Jeremy Corbyn In Vote On Parliament's Role In Military Action

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/more-than-50-labour-mps-defy-jeremy-corbyn-in-vote-on-giving-parliament-a-vote-on-military-action-emergency-motion-war-powers-act_uk_5ad63168e4b016a07ea1227b?zq6

[kukushkin88]

I guess I thought the UN Charter was enshrined in law, I might be wrong. Still a big shout for the regime to do this, they will be terrified if they hit anything Russian.

At what point do you draw a line in the sand? When they use chemical weapons another once, twice on civilians and children?

If they do nothing it gives the Russians and Assad a green light to do it again.

You don’t think Assad will think about the consequences before doing it again? Wouldn’t this potentially save lives in future?

I meant to apologise for not answering more directly before, two weeks back. I'll try now. Chemical attacks are emotive but he will kill his enemies by a variety of means. Chemical weapons are a small part of the mass murder in Syria.

We all agree that it's tragic when children are killed but let's keep perspective, the so called 'austerity' in the UK kills children as well.

I’ve got no idea how you can even compare a war that’s killed hundreds of thousands with austerity, sounds like you are just desperate to score political points.

So, Syrian civil war estimated deaths 450,000, austerity estimated deaths, 120,000. They are comparable numbers, one of our countries isn't at war, until today.

Ok Dr Googlestein, maybe you should read the other research out there questioning those numbers and what the range of possible causes may be rather than just posting numbers that suit you from google. You never know it might help you have a more rounded opinion on stuff like this rather than trying to compare a ludicrous comparison of disastrous war with govt spending. The jury is also out whether labour would have done a better done given the terrible financial position labour left the Tories to deal with.

So New Labour caused a global financial crisis? Are you serious? I can never tell. It's almost like the infamous jokey note left in the treasury caused so much confusion in the new government they were looking around for money and couldn't find any.

The regime since May took over has, lost power, bought power from religious nutters and worked continually against the interests of its own people to assist the wealthy. Your pension did a little worse under New Labour because they didn't want to run the NHS in to the ground. Are you really saying that running the NHS in to the ground so your pension grows a bit is good? Austerity killed more people than chemical weapons, just so people with plenty could have a little more.

This is ridiculous.  Chemical weapons verses levels of Government spending?  Get a grip.

Some less than stella (sic) offerings from me recently for sure. I think the reasonable points I did have got lost in the petty row, I'll revisit it.

[RickBFA]

Private eye at its best (couldn't resist, sorry)

I was thinking the other day that if Corbyn is Labour leader at the next election (which is highly likely) then the Tories campaign should involve pulling to pieces his leadership credentials and his ability to be an effective PM.

It may be condemned as negative campaigning but I would get 5 different bill boards ready including stuff like this and put them all over the most marginal 100 seats.

[Cf]

Didn’t they already try that last time?

[MANTIS01]

Trump 'will walk out' if North Korea talks not fruitful

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-43818751


Ever the diplomat our Donald. That's just the kind of statement we need to pave the way for constructive talks.

I saw Trump launching some crazy tweets at 'rocket man' and now rocket man wants to sit down for talks. If he accomplishes some kind of deal it will be unbelievable...but what would the haters say then? Everyone cringes at his twitter but I think he's way ahead using this tool vs any other world leader and he's pressing this advantage, his 'USP' to the absolute max. Saying the guy who got the talks when nobody else did should stop doing his thing is unfair right? Telling Kim in advance he's not coming to be dicked about is a smart move no? These guys are so backward with social media when we know full well the power of this media. I say we give Trump more credit in his use of it. 

I mean...'bombs don't kill people or bring about peace'?? ZZZzzzzz

And we still need to consider high-stakes China. If Trump's aggro approach gets them folding Korea and offering a deal on tariffs Trump might scoop the lot.