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« Reply #12555 on: April 25, 2018, 11:01:40 AM »

My main point is that we're being bombarded daily with the same messages. One of which is that our new trade deals are unlikely to be as good as our old trade deals - as per this article in the Observer.

You don't need to be an expert in anything other than common fkn sense to work that out.

And, no, we don't need to be told every day either - as if it was new news.
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« Reply #12556 on: April 25, 2018, 11:02:31 AM »

UK liable for 'divorce bill' even with no Brexit trade deal – NAO chief

yes its from the Guardian

posted for debate, not to be dismissed just because its the guardian please

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/24/uk-liable-for-divorce-bill-even-with-no-brexit-trade-deal-nao-chief?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1524601340
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« Reply #12557 on: April 25, 2018, 11:04:11 AM »

How the Corbyn Board of Deputies meeting collapsed into excuses
Stephen Pollard reveals what went on behind the closed doors of the Labour leader's office

https://www.thejc.com/corbyn-jlc-meeting-what-really-happened-1.463018
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« Reply #12558 on: April 25, 2018, 11:20:46 AM »

How the Corbyn Board of Deputies meeting collapsed into excuses
Stephen Pollard reveals what went on behind the closed doors of the Labour leader's office

https://www.thejc.com/corbyn-jlc-meeting-what-really-happened-1.463018

Sounds like Jezza is making a right old mess of things.

He's probably worried about upsetting his old friends.
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« Reply #12559 on: April 25, 2018, 12:00:10 PM »

How the Corbyn Board of Deputies meeting collapsed into excuses
Stephen Pollard reveals what went on behind the closed doors of the Labour leader's office

https://www.thejc.com/corbyn-jlc-meeting-what-really-happened-1.463018

Sounds like Jezza is making a right old mess of things.

He's probably worried about upsetting his old friends.

Really? You read a biased article written by the Editor of The Jewish Chronicle and that’s what you take from it?
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« Reply #12560 on: April 25, 2018, 12:33:47 PM »

How the Corbyn Board of Deputies meeting collapsed into excuses
Stephen Pollard reveals what went on behind the closed doors of the Labour leader's office

https://www.thejc.com/corbyn-jlc-meeting-what-really-happened-1.463018

Sounds like Jezza is making a right old mess of things.

He's probably worried about upsetting his old friends.

Really? You read a biased article written by the Editor of The Jewish Chronicle and that’s what you take from it?

You don’t have to convince me - when the people he met to find away forward still think he’s paying lip service to it, you know he’s still got a problem.

His objective must have been to defuse a political and image problem - and the headlines from the meeting cause more problems than he solved - that’s the reality of where he is now.
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« Reply #12561 on: April 25, 2018, 08:49:15 PM »

I don’t follow politics all that much but I find this whole Labour anti-Semitism (jew (my phone autocorrected that to new so it’s guilty too)) thing odd. Is it that big a deal or another media thing being constantly brought up? I can’t imagine the tories are any better?
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« Reply #12562 on: April 25, 2018, 08:50:21 PM »

My main point is that we're being bombarded daily with the same messages. One of which is that our new trade deals are unlikely to be as good as our old trade deals - as per this article in the Observer.

You don't need to be an expert in anything other than common fkn sense to work that out.

And, no, we don't need to be told every day either - as if it was new news.

We voted for worse trade deals?  I thought Brexit was sold as a golden opportunity for better trade deals with the rest of the World?    
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« Reply #12563 on: April 25, 2018, 11:36:17 PM »

My main point is that we're being bombarded daily with the same messages. One of which is that our new trade deals are unlikely to be as good as our old trade deals - as per this article in the Observer.

You don't need to be an expert in anything other than common fkn sense to work that out.

And, no, we don't need to be told every day either - as if it was new news.

We voted for worse trade deals?  I thought Brexit was sold as a golden opportunity for better trade deals with the rest of the World?    

Ha!

Didn't think you were one for sarcasm, Doobs.
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« Reply #12564 on: April 25, 2018, 11:53:53 PM »

My main point is that we're being bombarded daily with the same messages. One of which is that our new trade deals are unlikely to be as good as our old trade deals - as per this article in the Observer.

You don't need to be an expert in anything other than common fkn sense to work that out.

And, no, we don't need to be told every day either - as if it was new news.

We voted for worse trade deals?  I thought Brexit was sold as a golden opportunity for better trade deals with the rest of the World?    

Ha!

Didn't think you were one for sarcasm, Doobs.

So you're certain the trade deals will be worse. Remind me what the good bits will be again?
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« Reply #12565 on: April 26, 2018, 01:51:47 AM »

I don’t follow politics all that much but I find this whole Labour anti-Semitism (jew (my phone autocorrected that to new so it’s guilty too)) thing odd. Is it that big a deal or another media thing being constantly brought up? I can’t imagine the tories are any better?

Totally agree. The whole thing seems blown up into a much bigger issue than it warrants. Does Anti-Semitism exist to any real extent in the UK? I'm not aware of ever coming across it or anyone who was really anti-Jew to the extent of discriminating against them. There are other groups who have a much rougher deal in that they definitely do attract discrimination amongst certain groups. Seems to me that some Jews are very vocal and are on the lookout for anything they can call Anti-Semitism, irrespective of whether it really is or not. They currently have an opportunity due to support from media who it suits to get stuck in for political reasons.

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« Reply #12566 on: April 26, 2018, 07:34:36 AM »

I don’t follow politics all that much but I find this whole Labour anti-Semitism (jew (my phone autocorrected that to new so it’s guilty too)) thing odd. Is it that big a deal or another media thing being constantly brought up? I can’t imagine the tories are any better?

Right now, that community is making complaints about Labour and it’s members - not the Tories.

I’m sure a group as vocal as Mint says they are, would be making complaints against the Tories if they felt it was merited.

Given their history, I would think they have reasonable grounds to be vocal about discrimination, wouldn’t you?


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« Reply #12567 on: April 26, 2018, 09:05:11 AM »

I don’t follow politics all that much but I find this whole Labour anti-Semitism (jew (my phone autocorrected that to new so it’s guilty too)) thing odd. Is it that big a deal or another media thing being constantly brought up? I can’t imagine the tories are any better?

Totally agree. The whole thing seems blown up into a much bigger issue than it warrants. Does Anti-Semitism exist to any real extent in the UK? I'm not aware of ever coming across it or anyone who was really anti-Jew to the extent of discriminating against them. There are other groups who have a much rougher deal in that they definitely do attract discrimination amongst certain groups. Seems to me that some Jews are very vocal and are on the lookout for anything they can call Anti-Semitism, irrespective of whether it really is or not. They currently have an opportunity due to support from media who it suits to get stuck in for political reasons.



I don't think Labour (as such) has a problem with anti-semitism, I think The Left does (with it's obvious representation in Labour).

Many on the left have a problem with 'The Man' and all it's representations such as big business and big banks (etc.).

Many anti-semites associate Jews with 'The Man' (and big businesses and big banks etc).

This is why the emphasis is on Labour and anti-semitism.

Similarly there might be many more garden variety racists who seen the Conservatives talk tough on immigration and benefit clampdowns and in their minds they associate immigrants with taking all the benefits; so they veer towards the Conservatives.

Labour seems to have a particular problem though. When the racist Tories want to stand as councillors or MPs (and the like), the selection people see the racism (most of the time) and rejects them. When Labour selection people see anti-semitism they don't see it as much of a problem.

Part of the problem is the labelling itself - racism against Jews is called anti-semitism but racism against every other minority is just called racism; which fits in perfectly with the idea that 'there's not much of it, so is it really a problem'. If there's racism in Labour, or the Conservatives, or any other organisation - it's a problem. If there was an outcry against racism in the Conservatives I don't think many people would be measuring the amount of racism to decide whether it's an issue or not.
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« Reply #12568 on: April 26, 2018, 09:29:38 AM »

the far right and the far left have problems (islamophobia, anti-semitism)

Labour's problem is the tacit acceptance by those at the current head of the party..witness Milne's presence as Corbyn's right hand man.

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« Reply #12569 on: April 26, 2018, 09:30:00 AM »

Gove, Rudd and Williamson all amassing five figure sum war chests for leadership bids;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6144712/gove-rudd-williamson-accused-making-secret-bids-tory-leadership/
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