The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

It's gone down well

[neeko]

Why do brexiters think that a change of TM as PM to say Grove, would mean that he would be able to get a hard brexit through parliament?

[TightEnd]

Why do brexiters think that a change of TM as PM to say Grove, would mean that he would be able to get a hard brexit through parliament?

Not now, Neeko :-)

[TightEnd]

Why do brexiters think that a change of TM as PM to say Grove, would mean that he would be able to get a hard brexit through parliament?

Not now, Neeko :-)

proceed


p.s

LAB voter split in latest YouGov Brexit tracker
Right to leave 21%
Wrong to leave 72%
7%

[MANTIS01]

Fisheries blueprint unveiled today for UK to take back full control of our own waters.

We will be able to set our own quotas in our own waters for the first time in 50yrs.

Everyone connected with British fishing delighted

[TightEnd]

NEW: Government circulated papers at Brexit meeting with 10 biz chiefs & key Cabinet mins on June 20, acknowledging a 5 year wait to develop customs systems... in turn told it would take a decade for a system suitable for small businesses in supply chains

https://news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-customs-system-could-take-up-to-five-years-government-papers-acknowledge-11425358

[TightEnd]

At first I thought this must be old news but it’s actually dated TODAY

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-asks-treasury-for-brexit-analysis-11424409

[TightEnd]

Obama advisor Rhodes on Boris

[MANTIS01]

Nato, another union under threat because Germany not delivering it's defence expenditure obligations. Britain does meet it's commitments.

Merkel in a real pickle on immigration as well. Gone are the days of high-fiving asylum seekers on their way in. Complete about turn and now seeing detention centres on German borders. The concerns of people proved justified and her crazy strategy has contributed to the rise of far right politics in Europe. Will be another big step forward to arrest control of our own borders from this kind of influence.  

[TightEnd]

Who's to blame for Brexit going badly? We know who Danny Dyer thinks, but who do the 69% of Brits who say Brexit is proceeding poorly feel is at fault? Remain and Leave voters are pointing the finger in different directions, but both blame the government

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/07/04/whos-blame-brexit-going-badly/ …

[Doobs]

Fisheries blueprint unveiled today for UK to take back full control of our own waters.

We will be able to set our own quotas in our own waters for the first time in 50yrs.

Everyone connected with British fishing delighted

Yep, no chance at all that the EU will object to this or restrict access to their markets for our fish and fish products.   Sure "everyone" in the fishing industry must be delighted.  Michael Gove has done such a good thing, that the fishermen all want children with him.  Unfortunately the USA has already declared this to be their independence day, so we'll have to call it Michael Gove day instead.   Or maybe snivelling little shit day is more appropriate?

Good times.

[MANTIS01]

Fisheries blueprint unveiled today for UK to take back full control of our own waters.

We will be able to set our own quotas in our own waters for the first time in 50yrs.

Everyone connected with British fishing delighted

Yep, no chance at all that the EU will object to this or restrict access to their markets for our fish and fish products.   Sure "everyone" in the fishing industry must be delighted.  Michael Gove has done such a good thing, that the fishermen all want children with him.  Unfortunately the USA has already declared this to be their independence day, so we'll have to call it Michael Gove day instead.   Or maybe snivelling little shit day is more appropriate?

Good times.

Yes undoubtedly quite right. But here's the clincher, the British don't take kindly to threats and punishment from Jonny foreigner for e.g. fishing our own waters.

And we don't want to be in a union with folk who behave in that way.

It's a cultural thing yo, we're an island nation of people, we're overly proud and a bit arrogant. We love the underdog and we're happy to assume that role. Lots of other traits in our DNA also.

So the threat that other countries will do a, b or c will only make us more determined. It will only back the British bulldog into a corner. Because that is who we are.

That's why tables, charts and figures, doom & gloom stories, or threats about euro politicians being grumpy with us will never make a difference.

[TightEnd]

Brexit 'third way' is unworkable, says David Davis in last-ditch letter to Theresa May ahead of crunch talks

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/04/brexit-third-way-unworkable-says-david-davis-last-ditch-letter/

[TightEnd]

Fisheries blueprint unveiled today for UK to take back full control of our own waters.

We will be able to set our own quotas in our own waters for the first time in 50yrs.

Everyone connected with British fishing delighted

Yep, no chance at all that the EU will object to this or restrict access to their markets for our fish and fish products.   Sure "everyone" in the fishing industry must be delighted.  Michael Gove has done such a good thing, that the fishermen all want children with him.  Unfortunately the USA has already declared this to be their independence day, so we'll have to call it Michael Gove day instead.   Or maybe snivelling little shit day is more appropriate?

Good times.

Yes undoubtedly quite right. But here's the clincher, the British don't take kindly to threats and punishment from Jonny foreigner for e.g. fishing our own waters.

And we don't want to be in a union with folk who behave in that way.

It's a cultural thing yo, we're an island nation of people, we're overly proud and a bit arrogant. We love the underdog and we're happy to assume that role. Lots of other traits in our DNA also.

So the threat that other countries will do a, b or c will only make us more determined. It will only back the British bulldog into a corner. Because that is who we are.

That's why tables, charts and figures, doom & gloom stories, or threats about euro politicians being grumpy with us will never make a difference.

it really is barmy. Nationalism that's pretty outmoded in an integrated global economy. British bulldog and cultural throwbacks to byegone eras aren't going to save millions of jobs in a hard brexit, or whistle up a customs solution by the end pf 2020 or preserve peace in Northern Ireland with a hard border

For 250 years, since at least the days Pitt the Elder, British foreign policy has been predicated on not having Europe united against us. Brexit has achieved exactly that. It is a stupendous national folly

[TightEnd]

We can but hope


Officials within the Department for International Trade are questioning the future of the department amid talk of a customs union in all but name — and there's fresh talk of Liam Fox resigning.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/liam-fox-international-trade-theresa-may-customs-softest-possible-brexit-2018-7