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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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SNP - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #13995 on: September 21, 2018, 02:34:06 PM »

I'm waiting for a retailer to do a Brexit special offer on Spam before stocking up
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« Reply #13996 on: September 21, 2018, 02:37:02 PM »

Live scenes in Leicestershire

Buy British!

People might just laugh at this. I lease a German car and the lease ends in December.

I can guarantee I won’t get another.

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« Reply #13997 on: September 21, 2018, 02:41:26 PM »

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What, no peaches?
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« Reply #13998 on: September 21, 2018, 02:43:50 PM »

A friend of mine use to lead high level negotiations for a multinational IT business.

He said to me years ago, the golden rule of negotiation is to treat your opposite number with respect however the discussions we going and never insult them.

Tusk and the EU leaders this week just ignored that golden rule.

It amplifies the reason people voted to leave to get away from these self serving politicians in Brussels and control our own destiny even if it means short term pain.
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« Reply #13999 on: September 21, 2018, 02:47:10 PM »

Wow, that was truly embarrassing to watch.  Theresa May tries to go all "school headmistress" on the naughty children in the EU.

Unfortunately, the whole 'staying in the EEA won't respect the referendum' line is complete bollocks.  She's chosen to make that interpretation from the outset, but the referendum said nothing about the terms of exit.

Using that argument, then she won't be respecting the referendum result unless she gives the NHS £350m a week from March 2019.

I can't believe how much that statement reeked of utter desperation.  Utterly pathetic.

a pure yes or novote was a horrible mistake

Brexit means (Brexit) different things to different people

a ballot paper that read

1) norway
2) canada
3) stay

splits 1 and 2 and 3 wins

I've spent the last 2 years cringing at having my Leave vote interpreted by hard Brexiters as something entirely beyond the scope of the choice we were offered.  I suspect many other Leave voters feel the same way.

I think the only credible option available to us now is a second referendum on whatever deal they manage to come up with, which includes the option of remaining.  I would welcome a national test of opinion on that, as the only good thing that has come out of the referendum is to put some substance behind what the true impacts of leaving are.  I don't see how that is undemocratic, and I don't see any genuine logic as to why it shouldn't happen.  The only reason to oppose it, as far as I can see, is if you're a leave voter who lacks any confidence that the decision would be the same.

Ironically, I was discussing this with my boss this morning and was surprised to discover that he, as someone who is heavily pro-Remain, said he would vote to Leave in a second referendum, primarily on the basis that it would respect the original vote.

Cameron has a lot to answer for, for essentially getting us to this point to try an fix a Tory party issue (that went well, didn't it!)  I hope history judges him with the contempt he deserves.
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« Reply #14000 on: September 21, 2018, 03:01:36 PM »

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What, no peaches?

Surely nobody voted to eat more spam?
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« Reply #14001 on: September 21, 2018, 03:12:13 PM »

No deal Brexit is the most likely outcome if the balance of political power doesn’t change
And even another election may not be enough.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2018/09/no-deal-brexit-most-likely-outcome-if-balance-political-power-doesn-t-change
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« Reply #14002 on: September 21, 2018, 03:13:47 PM »

p.s where is the labour party?

not all over the airwaves

presumably head down, hoping it all goes even more pear shaped?

in part because they are just as divided and there is no upside to owning anything but the aftermath
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« Reply #14003 on: September 21, 2018, 03:14:56 PM »

speech that leaves the UK very close to leaving without a deal:

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/09/theresa-may-s-bizarre-speech-leaves-united-kingdom-verge-no-deal-brexit
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« Reply #14004 on: September 21, 2018, 03:20:14 PM »

p.s where is the labour party?

not all over the airwaves

presumably head down, hoping it all goes even more pear shaped?

in part because they are just as divided and there is no upside to owning anything but the aftermath

Keir Starmer was trapping off on the news half an hour ago.....
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« Reply #14005 on: September 21, 2018, 03:40:03 PM »

Something very Theresa May about calling urgent news conference to announce that we're stuck, nobody will move, nothing can happen, there will be no news till further notice


Until the end of the Tory party conference.
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« Reply #14006 on: September 21, 2018, 03:40:12 PM »

Will the EU take the PM's Brexit threat seriously, ?

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/will-theresa-mays-big-brexit-gamble-pay-off/
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« Reply #14007 on: September 21, 2018, 03:41:13 PM »

Oxford Economics were among the least pessimistic forecasters before the EUref - they said Brexit could poss be GDP-positive. Now they are forecasting a no deal Brexit wld knock 2% off GDP by end-2020. Not quite a recession but not far off. UK hit worse than any other EU member
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« Reply #14008 on: September 21, 2018, 03:57:07 PM »

One trade expert who's predicted no deal since May:

"When you drew [positions] as circles, like a Venn diagram, you could see there was no overlap"

"Unless either side radically shifts their position to get overlap. Not sure she has political space to move again. And they don’t want or need to."
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« Reply #14009 on: September 21, 2018, 03:57:18 PM »

momentous days, shame talking to myself.



Far from it Rich, it's the most read thread on blonde. Keep it coming please.

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