The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[kukushkin88]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

[BigAdz]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

LOL @ the worst Government in our lifetime. Surely the one that left the mess we are currently in was?

Very much like me taking a shit on my neighbours garden and telling them how filthy they are, when everyone walks past the next day......

[kukushkin88]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

LOL @ the worst Government in our lifetime. Surely the one that left the mess we are currently in was?

Very much like me taking a shit on my neighbours garden and telling them how filthy they are, when everyone walks past the next day......

So the global economic crisis was caused by our previous government? Any data that supports this (again bizarre) theory?

[kukushkin88]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

LOL @ the worst Government in our lifetime. Surely the one that left the mess we are currently in was?

Very much like me taking a shit on my neighbours garden and telling them how filthy they are, when everyone walks past the next day......

So the global economic crisis was caused by our previous government? Any data that supports this (again bizarre) theory?

I can recommend a load of good books if you’d to know the reality of it?

[MANTIS01]

The reality is that Remain squealing for an elongated period of time has created an environment where the French leader can step forward with confident arrogance. It's amazing to think that UK buys more from France than they buy from us and yet their PM is the one talking tough. Overall you would think being treated as valuable partners and international allies would be standard behaviour but EU have shown contempt throughout. How on earth do you really explain that? Well Remain great work. Not sure what the end game is but just poking your head out of Macron's petticoats and squealing about the sky collapsing isn't a great look for Britain.

[nirvana]

@mantis @ nirvana

You guys know what "yielded £2,370 more for the Treasury " means?

Not sure as I can’t access article.  Is it simply tax paid minus any benefits received or have they shared our per capita health/education/infrastructure contribution as part of calculation?  Is it a comparative to a Brit or a stand alone net contribution?

They pay their taxes, they generate money for pensions and the nhs.  They bring an end to government cuts.  nirvana waffling on about the wrong kind of gdp, mantis waffling on about the wrong kind of government spending.

Haha, i did preface with unrelated - still, it was waffling i'll give you that.

More directly then, how has the marginal extra treasury take from a migrant over a lazy Brit benefited the lazy Brit

I haven't read the article but very likely to be a spurious comparison as,I'd imagine, 99% of migrants come here to work and a very large number will pay tax accordingly. It may also be inflated by only capturing the people who pay tax and not accounting for dodgers who consume some services.

The Brit take per head will be depressed by our unhealthy and near dead who don't pay much tax

It’s worth reading the article.

And let facts get in the way of my narrative- come on !

Have to subscribe to read it so thats a non starter on this occasion

It says that your assumptions are good but that wasn’t the crux......the ‘unhealthy and near dead’ are even worse at making children than they are at making money, it’s a big problem.

Aah, well I think we need to find more creative ways to deal with this issue - I think that's preferable to creating a second wave of the slave trade where we deplete the human resources of other countries in the selfish pursuit of what we think we need/have to have.

I agree. What do we think is more important, making money or having children and having time/resource to bring them up? #thatcherism

The answer to that is a no brainer for me but I might sound like a reactionary

[Pokerpops]

@mantis @ nirvana

You guys know what "yielded £2,370 more for the Treasury " means?

Not sure as I can’t access article.  Is it simply tax paid minus any benefits received or have they shared our per capita health/education/infrastructure contribution as part of calculation?  Is it a comparative to a Brit or a stand alone net contribution?

They pay their taxes, they generate money for pensions and the nhs.  They bring an end to government cuts.  nirvana waffling on about the wrong kind of gdp, mantis waffling on about the wrong kind of government spending.

Haha, i did preface with unrelated - still, it was waffling i'll give you that.

More directly then, how has the marginal extra treasury take from a migrant over a lazy Brit benefited the lazy Brit

I haven't read the article but very likely to be a spurious comparison as,I'd imagine, 99% of migrants come here to work and a very large number will pay tax accordingly. It may also be inflated by only capturing the people who pay tax and not accounting for dodgers who consume some services.

The Brit take per head will be depressed by our unhealthy and near dead who don't pay much tax

It’s worth reading the article.

And let facts get in the way of my narrative- come on !

Have to subscribe to read it so thats a non starter on this occasion

It says that your assumptions are good but that wasn’t the crux......the ‘unhealthy and near dead’ are even worse at making children than they are at making money, it’s a big problem.

Aah, well I think we need to find more creative ways to deal with this issue - I think that's preferable to creating a second wave of the slave trade where we deplete the human resources of other countries in the selfish pursuit of what we think we need/have to have.

I agree. What do we think is more important, making money or having children and having time/resource to bring them up? #thatcherism

The answer to that is a no brainer for me but I might sound like a reactionary

How is this supposed to be a binary choice?

Can’t we make money and raise children?

[TightEnd]

The reality is that Remain squealing for an elongated period of time has created an environment where the French leader can step forward with confident arrogance. It's amazing to think that UK buys more from France than they buy from us and yet their PM is the one talking tough. Overall you would think being treated as valuable partners and international allies would be standard behaviour but EU have shown contempt throughout. How on earth do you really explain that? Well Remain great work. Not sure what the end game is but just poking your head out of Macron's petticoats and squealing about the sky collapsing isn't a great look for Britain.

Oh come on what a load of bunkum. Sensible remainers have pointed out facts for about three years now, for example that the EU will not compromise and that a deal is very tough to achieve and the consequences in terms of economics are no way compensated for by some notional sense of great national identity and have been derided for project fear that has now turned into project fact

It is quite risible to see people like you refuse to own the looming disaster that you both voted for and defend constantly

Own it, you leave flat-earthers are responsible for it.

[Pokerpops]

The reality is that Remain squealing for an elongated period of time has created an environment where the French leader can step forward with confident arrogance. It's amazing to think that UK buys more from France than they buy from us and yet their PM is the one talking tough. Overall you would think being treated as valuable partners and international allies would be standard behaviour but EU have shown contempt throughout. How on earth do you really explain that? Well Remain great work. Not sure what the end game is but just poking your head out of Macron's petticoats and squealing about the sky collapsing isn't a great look for Britain.

Oh come on what a load of bunkum. Sensible remainers have pointed out facts for about three years now, for example that the EU will not compromise and that a deal is very tough to achieve and the consequences in terms of economics are no way compensated for by some notional sense of great national identity and have been derided for project fear that has now turned into project fact

It is quite risible to see people like you refuse to own the looming disaster that you both voted for and defend constantly

Own it, you leave flat-earthers are responsible for it.

As a leave voter I wish someone would effing own it.
Probably best if it’s not Mantis.

[kukushkin88]

@mantis @ nirvana

You guys know what "yielded £2,370 more for the Treasury " means?

Not sure as I can’t access article.  Is it simply tax paid minus any benefits received or have they shared our per capita health/education/infrastructure contribution as part of calculation?  Is it a comparative to a Brit or a stand alone net contribution?

They pay their taxes, they generate money for pensions and the nhs.  They bring an end to government cuts.  nirvana waffling on about the wrong kind of gdp, mantis waffling on about the wrong kind of government spending.

Haha, i did preface with unrelated - still, it was waffling i'll give you that.

More directly then, how has the marginal extra treasury take from a migrant over a lazy Brit benefited the lazy Brit

I haven't read the article but very likely to be a spurious comparison as,I'd imagine, 99% of migrants come here to work and a very large number will pay tax accordingly. It may also be inflated by only capturing the people who pay tax and not accounting for dodgers who consume some services.

The Brit take per head will be depressed by our unhealthy and near dead who don't pay much tax

It’s worth reading the article.

And let facts get in the way of my narrative- come on !

Have to subscribe to read it so thats a non starter on this occasion

It says that your assumptions are good but that wasn’t the crux......the ‘unhealthy and near dead’ are even worse at making children than they are at making money, it’s a big problem.

Aah, well I think we need to find more creative ways to deal with this issue - I think that's preferable to creating a second wave of the slave trade where we deplete the human resources of other countries in the selfish pursuit of what we think we need/have to have.

I agree. What do we think is more important, making money or having children and having time/resource to bring them up? #thatcherism

The answer to that is a no brainer for me but I might sound like a reactionary

How is this supposed to be a binary choice?

Can’t we make money and raise children?

First question: Maybe we’ve misunderstood/misused the language. Which one is more important in a failing/thriving country?

Second question: Surely we can but the data says we haven’t figured out how yet (Tighty’s Economist article)

[kukushkin88]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

Maybe this again. It’s incredible that the ignorance is winning.

Try and think of a worst definition of reality than Mantis did today?? 

[kukushkin88]

How people think is the reality mate.

Take uncontrolled immigration, majority don't want it.

Put up all the charts you want, majority still don't want it. That's reality.

Do you think there’s a link between your very abstract interpretation of reality and the bizarre situation where the worst government in any of our lifetimes has a lead in the opinion polls? I think there might be.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/reality

It’s nearly the opposite of what you said :-) 1.2, 2 and 2.1 probably the highlights.

Maybe this again. It’s incredible that the ignorance is winning.

Try and think of a worse  definition of reality than Mantis did today?? 

[DungBeetle]

To be honest as a remain voter myself I quite like the Mantis approach.  My fellow remainer high pitched whines are so annoying. The decision has been made so let’s make the best of it.  Too much pathetic squealing around.

[kukushkin88]

To be honest as a remain voter myself I quite like the Mantis approach.  My fellow remainer high pitched whines are so annoying. The decision has been made so let’s make the best of it.  Too much pathetic squealing around.

Or, calm reality. No squealing.

[kukushkin88]

To be honest as a remain voter myself I quite like the Mantis approach.  My fellow remainer high pitched whines are so annoying. The decision has been made sco let’s make the best of it.  Too much pathetic squealing around.

Democracy fundamentally doesn’t work if you’re this dumb.