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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
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« Reply #15165 on: November 19, 2018, 03:52:32 PM »

A NYC perspective

The Brexit Fantasy Goes Down in Tears

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-brexit-fantasy-goes-down-in-tears
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« Reply #15166 on: November 19, 2018, 03:54:18 PM »

'Theresa May finally revealed the truth about Brexit: it's been a lie all along'

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/theresa-may-brexit-deal-speech-summary-eu-withdrawal-agreement-a8634336.html
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« Reply #15167 on: November 19, 2018, 03:55:19 PM »

The problem with Brexit is not Theresa May. The problem with Brexit is Brexit.

"A bad Brexit will not be as terrible as the Suez crisis. It will be far worse

Brexiters have no viable plans of their own, but that won’t stop them casting Mrs May as the villain of this wretched mess"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/11/bad-brexit-will-not-be-as-terrible-as-suez-it-will-be-far-worse
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« Reply #15168 on: November 19, 2018, 03:56:02 PM »

By accident or design, May’s failure to make proper preparations for no deal has become her strongest card in forcing through her deal

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/brexit-is-served-and-neither-option-is-palatable/
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« Reply #15169 on: November 19, 2018, 03:58:04 PM »

Standard and Poor's damning verdict on a 'No Deal Brexit:

- Unemployment doubles
- Every household £2700 worse off within a year
- Inflation at 5%
- A recession as long as after the financial crisis

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« Reply #15170 on: November 19, 2018, 03:59:29 PM »

This in the current NewStatesman  is the most coldly brilliant and devastating evisceration of a politician I’ve ever read…

The Banana Republic of Boris Johnson

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/banana-republic-boris-johnson
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« Reply #15171 on: November 19, 2018, 04:01:39 PM »

Liam Fox's plan to swiftly replicate the EU's terms with the World Trade Organization has failed.

Now Britain must enter what are likely to be lengthy talks with other members on basic conditions of trade after Brexit:

Britain is preparing for trade negotiations with almost two dozen nations after they objected to the terms it proposed for its World Trade Organisation membership after Brexit

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-faces-talks-with-20-nations-after-trade-protest-ml8dt92pf
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« Reply #15172 on: November 19, 2018, 04:02:12 PM »

The irony of Brexit: the UK was already having its cake and eating it as an EU member.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/10/brexit-trap-there-any-way-out
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« Reply #15173 on: November 19, 2018, 04:03:48 PM »

Official confirmation that we're past the point of no return on no-deal. We couldn't prepare for it now even if we wanted to.

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018/10/24/it-s-official-we-ve-run-out-of-time-to-prepare-for-no-deal


NAO report on No Deal preparedness is terrible.

Every HMRC border system readiness for No Deal rated either Red or Red-amber - “successful delivery of the project appears unachievable”/ “delivery in doubt with major risks”, Defra not looking too hot. Only speck of Green for DiT

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« Reply #15174 on: November 19, 2018, 04:04:13 PM »

Oct 23

A shocked cabinet was today told no-deal Brexit may force government to own or operate lorry ferries, because freight through Dover and Channel Tunnel could fall 85% and we’d run out of vital goods, food and medicine

https://www.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2193134667677933/
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« Reply #15175 on: November 19, 2018, 04:07:48 PM »

Finally, i caved and watched Question time last week

Never a fun experience, on it a chap, in a quote which subsequently went viral on social, said and i paraphrase

"we survived the war, we'll survive again"

At which point i quote the following

"Dear People-Saying-We-Survived-WW2-So-We'll-Survive-Brexit:

1 You weren't in WW2
2 Lots of people didn't survive WW2
3 We didn't vote for WW2 in a possibly/probably* fraudulent Referendum
4 UK was receiving massive support from foreign allies in WW2--not telling them to fuck off"

* Depending on the outcome of the Banks/Leave.eu criminal investigation


Right, now that's all off my chest :-)
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« Reply #15176 on: November 19, 2018, 04:11:43 PM »

Finally, no sign of 48 letters into Brady yet

Which at a minimum is interesting, seeing as it was pushed as a done deal for a leadership challenge
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« Reply #15177 on: November 19, 2018, 04:14:15 PM »

In other good news....... 
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« Reply #15178 on: November 19, 2018, 04:24:25 PM »

Finally, no sign of 48 letters into Brady yet

Which at a minimum is interesting, seeing as it was pushed as a done deal for a leadership challenge

Surely one of the most compelling subplots. 

Have JRM and the ERG generally been sold a dud by the moderate tories, who knew this was the way to disempower the noisy right? "Yes, absolutely, I'll send a letter in...It's in the post..."

I worry about crediting anyone with a strategic masterstroke these days, but could this be one?
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« Reply #15179 on: November 19, 2018, 04:37:24 PM »

Its very house of cards

Thursday: Rees-Mogg calls for no confidence vote on May


-Friday morning: ERG - We've got 48 letters plus a dozen


-Friday late morning - We're almost at 48


-Friday afternoon - We'll get them next week

-Monday - Silence
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