The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[hhyftrftdr]

Woodsey better check his shed, because I think hhy has popped down to Notts and looted all his Stella

Ah shite, I'm moving to Leicester in 3 weeks, does that mean I'm gonna have neighbours like Woodsey?

[Woodsey]

Woodsey better check his shed, because I think hhy has popped down to Notts and looted all his Stella

Ah shite, I'm moving to Leicester in 3 weeks, does that mean I'm gonna have neighbours like Woodsey?

You’re moving to Leicester by choice? 

You’d be better off near me......

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

[kukushkin88]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

[TightEnd]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

The big problem with Brexit is that Leave won the referendum, but lost the “hard reality” test afterwards.

In other words, Brexit might have been passably ok as an abstraction, but when put under a forensic microscope now that it’s time to implement, everything falls apart. There isn't a good deal to be had.

Now we know this, if there is another vote and its still leave,so be it.

Especially as you would assume there wouldn't be spending breaches/criminal activity in the leave sphere, elements of the press won't be so jingoistic/xenophobic (the Daily Mail especially has had an about face) etc so it would seem "fairer"

i suppose we'd expect civil unrest, demonstrations from leavers and marches in Parliament square if it is reversed?

i don't think complaints and dissatisfaction are the exclusive preserve of those voting remain in other words

 

[neeko]

Andrew Lilio tweeted this, which I thought summed up the current position quite well:

Consider 3 groups: A) Globalist Remainers (45%); B) Globalist Leavers (25%); C) Insular Leavers (30%). Group B thought they could side with C to win the referendum, then switch to allying with A about what happened next. Instead, A has allied with C to attempt to defeat B.

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

I love an inclusive diverse society too.

Conceptually as a free nation we could deal with any country we wanted, reach out and include everybody around the world.

As part of a closed, restricted club we can't.

How is having limitations on inclusion and diversity beneficial to inclusion and diversity?  

[kukushkin88]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

I love an inclusive diverse society too.

Conceptually as a free nation we could deal with any country we wanted, reach out and include everybody around the world.

As part of a closed, restricted club we can't.

How is having limitations on inclusion and diversity beneficial to inclusion and diversity?  

I didn’t say it is. Are we saying the Leave vote is a mandate to relax/remove the rules on immigration? If you are, I and many others just might have got muddled up at some stage.

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

The big problem with Brexit is that Leave won the referendum, but lost the “hard reality” test afterwards.

In other words, Brexit might have been passably ok as an abstraction, but when put under a forensic microscope now that it’s time to implement, everything falls apart. There isn't a good deal to be had.

Now we know this, if there is another vote and its still leave,so be it.

Especially as you would assume there wouldn't be spending breaches/criminal activity in the leave sphere, elements of the press won't be so jingoistic/xenophobic (the Daily Mail especially has had an about face) etc so it would seem "fairer"

i suppose we'd expect civil unrest, demonstrations from leavers and marches in Parliament square if it is reversed?

i don't think complaints and dissatisfaction are the exclusive preserve of those voting remain in other words

In theory Brexit could be smooth but the hard reality is the likes of Germany & France obstruct such freedom of movement due to self-interest.

All the red lines still exist for Leave voters and now we have the experience of being bullied into submission. They can put whatever slogan they like on a bus but I won't forget that reality in a hurry.     

[kukushkin88]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

The big problem with Brexit is that Leave won the referendum, but lost the “hard reality” test afterwards.

In other words, Brexit might have been passably ok as an abstraction, but when put under a forensic microscope now that it’s time to implement, everything falls apart. There isn't a good deal to be had.

Now we know this, if there is another vote and its still leave,so be it.

Especially as you would assume there wouldn't be spending breaches/criminal activity in the leave sphere, elements of the press won't be so jingoistic/xenophobic (the Daily Mail especially has had an about face) etc so it would seem "fairer"

i suppose we'd expect civil unrest, demonstrations from leavers and marches in Parliament square if it is reversed?

i don't think complaints and dissatisfaction are the exclusive preserve of those voting remain in other words

In theory Brexit could be smooth but the hard reality is the likes of Germany & France obstruct such freedom of movement due to self-interest.

All the red lines still exist for Leave voters and now we have the experience of being bullied into submission. They can put whatever slogan they like on a bus but I won't forget that reality in a hurry.     

Not ‘reality’ again smh 🤦‍♂️ :-)

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

I love an inclusive diverse society too.

Conceptually as a free nation we could deal with any country we wanted, reach out and include everybody around the world.

As part of a closed, restricted club we can't.

How is having limitations on inclusion and diversity beneficial to inclusion and diversity?  

I didn’t say it is. Are we saying the Leave vote is a mandate to relax/remove the rules on immigration? If you are, I and many others just might have got muddled up at some stage.

I do advocate control of immigration.

But I am passionate about equality also.

So why in your world should a doctor from France be automatically favoured over a doctor from India?

Seems unfair and limits diversity.

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

The big problem with Brexit is that Leave won the referendum, but lost the “hard reality” test afterwards.

In other words, Brexit might have been passably ok as an abstraction, but when put under a forensic microscope now that it’s time to implement, everything falls apart. There isn't a good deal to be had.

Now we know this, if there is another vote and its still leave,so be it.

Especially as you would assume there wouldn't be spending breaches/criminal activity in the leave sphere, elements of the press won't be so jingoistic/xenophobic (the Daily Mail especially has had an about face) etc so it would seem "fairer"

i suppose we'd expect civil unrest, demonstrations from leavers and marches in Parliament square if it is reversed?

i don't think complaints and dissatisfaction are the exclusive preserve of those voting remain in other words

In theory Brexit could be smooth but the hard reality is the likes of Germany & France obstruct such freedom of movement due to self-interest.

All the red lines still exist for Leave voters and now we have the experience of being bullied into submission. They can put whatever slogan they like on a bus but I won't forget that reality in a hurry.     

Not ‘reality’ again smh 🤦‍♂️ :-)

Because Leftie politics work very well in theory but fail miserable in reality I can see why reality is a sore subject.

[kukushkin88]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

The big problem with Brexit is that Leave won the referendum, but lost the “hard reality” test afterwards.

In other words, Brexit might have been passably ok as an abstraction, but when put under a forensic microscope now that it’s time to implement, everything falls apart. There isn't a good deal to be had.

Now we know this, if there is another vote and its still leave,so be it.

Especially as you would assume there wouldn't be spending breaches/criminal activity in the leave sphere, elements of the press won't be so jingoistic/xenophobic (the Daily Mail especially has had an about face) etc so it would seem "fairer"

i suppose we'd expect civil unrest, demonstrations from leavers and marches in Parliament square if it is reversed?

i don't think complaints and dissatisfaction are the exclusive preserve of those voting remain in other words

In theory Brexit could be smooth but the hard reality is the likes of Germany & France obstruct such freedom of movement due to self-interest.

All the red lines still exist for Leave voters and now we have the experience of being bullied into submission. They can put whatever slogan they like on a bus but I won't forget that reality in a hurry.     

Not ‘reality’ again smh 🤦‍♂️ :-)

Because Leftie politics work very well in theory but fail miserable in reality I can see why reality is a sore subject.

A person’s perception of a situation they don’t understand is as bad a use of the word reality as you will see.

[kukushkin88]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

I love an inclusive diverse society too.

Conceptually as a free nation we could deal with any country we wanted, reach out and include everybody around the world.

As part of a closed, restricted club we can't.

How is having limitations on inclusion and diversity beneficial to inclusion and diversity?  

I didn’t say it is. Are we saying the Leave vote is a mandate to relax/remove the rules on immigration? If you are, I and many others just might have got muddled up at some stage.

I do advocate control of immigration.

But I am passionate about equality also.

So why in your world should a doctor from France be automatically favoured over a doctor from India?

Seems unfair and limits diversity.

Because we entered in to a Union with France, like all other nations have, when they can, up to this point in history. We do this because there is a multitude of benefits.

I’ll have another look at how much the EU forces us to discriminate against international migrants against our will and maybe revisit it.

[MANTIS01]

If there's a second vote and Leave win again do Remain accept the result this time? Or do they start again with the moaning, demonstrations and marches through London?

If there's a General Election would it be possible to have another one if the result is deemed unsuitable?

Incidentally I was talking to a guy who owns a wine import business. He told me when he ships wine from South Africa it MUST go to France first. Does anybody know if that's true and why?

I guess it would be wrong to frame it as Ref2. It’s a wholly different event and we aren’t leavers or remainers going in to it, it won’t be the same question. We should try and stop thinking of ourselves as leavers and remainers and try to go back to being people who make good level headed decisions in the best interests of ourselves and everyone else. People now have knowledge on the subject, for all practical purposes no one did before. I think sentiment or as you called it emotion was the overriding influence on both sides.

I voted remain because all of the evidence I have says humans are at their best when they’re characterised by togetherness, inclusiveness, diversity. I just love a diverse, cosmopolitan society. The vote might not make us less of either of those things but the sentiment of the Leave vote was contrary to the principles that are important to me.

I love an inclusive diverse society too.

Conceptually as a free nation we could deal with any country we wanted, reach out and include everybody around the world.

As part of a closed, restricted club we can't.

How is having limitations on inclusion and diversity beneficial to inclusion and diversity? 

I didn’t say it is. Are we saying the Leave vote is a mandate to relax/remove the rules on immigration? If you are, I and many others just might have got muddled up at some stage.

I do advocate control of immigration.

But I am passionate about equality also.

So why in your world should a doctor from France be automatically favoured over a doctor from India?

Seems unfair and limits diversity.

Because we entered in to a Union with France, like all other nations have, when they can, up to this point in history. We do this because there is a multitude of benefits.

I’ll have another look at how much the EU forces us to discriminate against international migrants against our will and maybe revisit it.

So ur happy to favour people from a select few European nations at the expense of all other people around the world due to the money on offer.

Sounds pretty right wing bruv.