The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

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She doesn't have the votes. what comes next?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-22/may-s-brexit-deal-you-don-t-have-the-votes-what-comes-next

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Team Corbyn Plan:

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Team Remain Plan

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Team Rees-Mogg Plan

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Team Tory Compromise Plan/EFTA

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Meanwhile, somewhere over to the far left a man wakes up and tweets....

Piers Corbyn
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@Piers_Corbyn

#EU=#4thReich THE ONLY WAY IS #NoDealBrexit. On 29Mar2019 all vestiges - flags, symbols, anything of EU in UK, must be destroyed. #HM #RoyalNavy must SEIZE back our #Fishing waters & remainist #MPs forced to resign. #TheresaMay is WORSE than Marshall #Petain of #Vichy #France

[Pokerpops]

It’s getting ever more like Chicken Little at the moment. The sky is falling in and we’re all doomed to suffer plagues of locusts and outbreaks of boils on our bum.

I get that we need to prepare for the situation - but all these journos and academics just highlighting all the potential calamities isn’t about preparation, it’s about pointing at  Leave voters and making wanker gestures at them. It’s about apportioning the blame. It’s akin to the t-shirts that were very popular in the early 80s that said “Don’t blame me, I voted Labour”.

Well, I may well have cast my vote for a move that isn’t going to turn out as we hoped. I may well have made some poor judgements based on the information that was out there. But I, and 17,409,999 others did that. The question was unambiguous - it was a bad question, but it was a simple In? or Out? we voted out.

So isn’t it time to get on with it?
Time to tell all those ‘just in time’ obsessed companies who decided it would be a good idea to have their manufacturing process spread out across a continent that if they want that to be their future then they better start pointing out to Macron and Merckel that component parts move in both directions.
Time to tell those who want to develop policies that can only ever be to our detriment ( CAP & CFP ) that enough is now enough.
Time to tell the Spanish that they can have the keys to Gibraltar when they prise them out of our cold, dead hands.




BoB

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Absolutements

Nowadays the more calamities and catastrophic problems that are presented the more it confirms what a terrible union we’re in. The relationship is clearly inappropriate. I would ask Remain to keep on producing the horror stories because it’s now fuel to confirm my Leave decision was correct. Just saying the EU is a spiders web we’re trapped in is even more incentive to prove otherwise.

It’s like divorcing a wife, terrible squabbles and battles in court over 2yrs, spiteful, nasty, name calling, even fighting over the Chris Rea CD. At the end of that process anybody proposing to just stay with your wife would be insane

[MANTIS01]

If you leave this place you will need to find somewhere to live and pay rent but there's a critical housing shortage and rent is sky high so homelessness is likely. If you do find a house it will be burgled. You currently have secure employment but if you leave you'll need to find a job. That's unlikely as the job market is very competetive, so you will be penniless, get into debt, encounter baliffs and worry a lot about money. You will need to source all your own food and cook all your own meals. Energy bills will ruin you. Council tax. You will need transport. Pay for a gym. People will look down on you. So much stress, so much worry.

Life here is safe, secure and ordered.

There is no risk here.

Best to just return to your cell.

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Oh and we've recently seen police ramming mopeds because the rider has stolen.

Hope the Royal Navy sink any French fishing vessel doing likewise.

[hhyftrftdr]

It’s getting ever more like Chicken Little at the moment. The sky is falling in and we’re all doomed to suffer plagues of locusts and outbreaks of boils on our bum.

I get that we need to prepare for the situation - but all these journos and academics just highlighting all the potential calamities isn’t about preparation, it’s about pointing at  Leave voters and making wanker gestures at them. It’s about apportioning the blame. It’s akin to the t-shirts that were very popular in the early 80s that said “Don’t blame me, I voted Labour”.

Well, I may well have cast my vote for a move that isn’t going to turn out as we hoped. I may well have made some poor judgements based on the information that was out there. But I, and 17,409,999 others did that. The question was unambiguous - it was a bad question, but it was a simple In? or Out? we voted out.

So isn’t it time to get on with it?
Time to tell all those ‘just in time’ obsessed companies who decided it would be a good idea to have their manufacturing process spread out across a continent that if they want that to be their future then they better start pointing out to Macron and Merckel that component parts move in both directions.
Time to tell those who want to develop policies that can only ever be to our detriment ( CAP & CFP ) that enough is now enough.
Time to tell the Spanish that they can have the keys to Gibraltar when they prise them out of our cold, dead hands.




BoB

Admits he made a crap vote in the referendum, says we should just crack on regardless. You couldn't make this shit up.

We're in this mess cos of 17m+ crap, uninformed votes from people like you. You should be angry that you were lied to and completely misled, instead of sticking your head in the sand and saying 'oh well, it's done now'.

Absolutely incred attitude.

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To me, Spain's maneuverings over the Gibraltar situation over the past week seem like a pretty big deal - but I haven't really read much about it. Am I reading too much into their declarations and posturings. Does what they got us to agree to last week actually mean anything?

[Pokerpops]

It’s getting ever more like Chicken Little at the moment. The sky is falling in and we’re all doomed to suffer plagues of locusts and outbreaks of boils on our bum.

I get that we need to prepare for the situation - but all these journos and academics just highlighting all the potential calamities isn’t about preparation, it’s about pointing at  Leave voters and making wanker gestures at them. It’s about apportioning the blame. It’s akin to the t-shirts that were very popular in the early 80s that said “Don’t blame me, I voted Labour”.

Well, I may well have cast my vote for a move that isn’t going to turn out as we hoped. I may well have made some poor judgements based on the information that was out there. But I, and 17,409,999 others did that. The question was unambiguous - it was a bad question, but it was a simple In? or Out? we voted out.

So isn’t it time to get on with it?
Time to tell all those ‘just in time’ obsessed companies who decided it would be a good idea to have their manufacturing process spread out across a continent that if they want that to be their future then they better start pointing out to Macron and Merckel that component parts move in both directions.
Time to tell those who want to develop policies that can only ever be to our detriment ( CAP & CFP ) that enough is now enough.
Time to tell the Spanish that they can have the keys to Gibraltar when they prise them out of our cold, dead hands.




BoB

Supports the wrong football team, and has opinions about politics that don’t match mine.

How dare he?

FYP

 

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The ⁦UK and EU⁩ economic assessment of the Brexit deal.  http://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/The-economic-consequences-of-Brexit.pdf

Under the deal, GDP per capita ten years from now between 1.9% and 5.5% smaller than it would otherwise have been. No deal = GDP 3.5 - 8.7% lower

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If May’s deal is voted down, then the legal default is no deal. But no deal isn’t the political default. So, no one can be sure what would happen of course....

then i saw this

""The chaos of no deal is not an alternative option – it is a suicide threat." Britain needs to get over itself"

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/11/britain-must-ditch-post-imperial-fantasies-shot-sober-realism-just-it-did-1975