The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[TightEnd]

So we’re still not out of the no deal woods: the PM said yesterday that Govt departments will get more money for no deal planning in the next few days– an attempt to put pressure on MPs to support its deal?

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For more on what the Government needs to do to be ready for no deal, take a look at an explainer:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/no-deal-brexit-preparations …

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And here’s where some other EU countries are on their no deal prep:

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/other-eu-countries-preparations-no-deal

[TightEnd]

HMRC have been in touch again with companies who trade only with the EU to tell them what they need to do to be ready for no deal.

Problem is, there are around 100k businesses who HMRC think may face issues but don't know who they are...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/no-deal-brexit-advice-for-businesses-only-trading-with-the-eu

[TightEnd]

It would be interesting to see new polling to see if people understand the meaning of 'no deal'

A while ago a slug of respondents thought "no deal" meant "things stay as we are"

i wonder what has cut through yet? Chatter from Conservative constituencies is that members are more pro-May/deal than their leaver MPs are. maybe they are worried...(finally)

[TightEnd]

back to parliamentary procedure

No10 facing big headache

MPs to be asked TODAY - before TM stands up to open 5 days of debate on her brexit deal - to vote on a Dominic Grieve amendment.

If gvt loses, ANY future motion on Withdrawal Act is amendable (not only those in neutral terms / ie meaningless)

Important because
- Today becomes a critical vote, on top of contempt
- Dominic Grieve’s (clever) amendment ALSO keeps TM’s deal intact (unlike Benn’s whose killed it)
- This means Tories who want to be loyal to TM but ALSO want to rule out no deal can support in good conscience

[nirvana]

Tory Bastards, as referred to by Major, being out manouvered again.

WA voted down or pulled

ECJ confirms today's advice re A50

The commons fks around for a month or two

After a couple of months more wah wah the commons feels emboldened to respect the result of the referendum while revoking A50 in the national interest.

There are no riots

[Sheriff Fatman]

back to parliamentary procedure

No10 facing big headache

MPs to be asked TODAY - before TM stands up to open 5 days of debate on her brexit deal - to vote on a Dominic Grieve amendment.

If gvt loses, ANY future motion on Withdrawal Act is amendable (not only those in neutral terms / ie meaningless)

Important because
- Today becomes a critical vote, on top of contempt
- Dominic Grieve’s (clever) amendment ALSO keeps TM’s deal intact (unlike Benn’s whose killed it)
- This means Tories who want to be loyal to TM but ALSO want to rule out no deal can support in good conscience

For those, like me, who didn't fully understand Tighty's cliff notes on this (and their relevance), this is a reasonable explanation of Grieve's amendment.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-deal-vote-parliament-conservatives-labour-dup-commons-a8666846.html

[Sheriff Fatman]

Tories now filibustering the contempt motion in Parliament, for some reason.

It's not like they've got anything else of significance on the agenda for today.

[TightEnd]

Government becomes the first in history to be found in contempt of Parliament for not publishing Brexit deal's full legal advice -

loses knife edge vote by 311 v 293.

[KarmaDope]

Government becomes the first in history to be found in contempt of Parliament for not publishing Brexit deal's full legal advice -

loses knife edge vote by 311 v 293.

I can't help but think that a few years down the line, that will come back to bite Labour on the behind.

[TightEnd]

The pound is enjoying it. err

 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-04/u-k-government-cranks-up-no-deal-planning-brexit-update

[Sheriff Fatman]

Government becomes the first in history to be found in contempt of Parliament for not publishing Brexit deal's full legal advice -

loses knife edge vote by 311 v 293.

I can't help but think that a few years down the line, that will come back to bite Labour on the behind.

It needs a pretty unique set of circumstances to happen though.  A wafer-thin government majority, and a government who didn't bother to oppose the original request, before deciding to ignore it.

Incredibly short-sighted thinking from the Tories, which succeeds in making Labour look effective.

Great job by Starmer.  If only he were party leader.

[KarmaDope]

Government becomes the first in history to be found in contempt of Parliament for not publishing Brexit deal's full legal advice -

loses knife edge vote by 311 v 293.

I can't help but think that a few years down the line, that will come back to bite Labour on the behind.

It needs a pretty unique set of circumstances to happen though.  A wafer-thin government majority, and a government who didn't bother to oppose the original request, before deciding to ignore it.

Incredibly short-sighted thinking from the Tories, which succeeds in making Labour look effective.

Great job by Starmer.  If only he were party leader.

Agreed. I wish Starmer was leader also as he'd be PM guaranteed with the next election.

I still can't bring myself to vote for Corbyn/McDonnell/Abbott and Momentum though.

[TightEnd]

Govt defeat loses on the Grieve amendment: 321/299. This means if May’s Deal defeated in the HoC, MPs can set the terms of Brexit, if they don’t like her Plan B....Brexiteers will point out a vote on a motion is not binding. But this undoubtedly a huge deal, certainly riskier to vote against May's deal now for leaver MPs