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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 56

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« Reply #19800 on: August 15, 2019, 02:00:05 PM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/
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« Reply #19801 on: August 15, 2019, 02:16:00 PM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/

Good article Stu.
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« Reply #19802 on: August 15, 2019, 02:35:52 PM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.

No idea where you pull some of the shite you spurt Aaron

Here is an interesting article that challenges some of your name calling

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/brexit-and-the-squeezed-middle/


Good read.

Lets see where Aarongry gets his stats from shall we?
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« Reply #19803 on: August 15, 2019, 03:09:10 PM »

Average wage for Brexit voters is £21,700.

Hardly surprising.


And for Remain?


Probably not much more but comes free with a massive stick up the arse

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« Reply #19804 on: August 15, 2019, 03:10:22 PM »

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« Reply #19805 on: August 15, 2019, 03:24:04 PM »

Quite telling that Jo Swinson in the Wollaston Press con refused to answer whether it would be worse to have Corbyn in Number 10, or a no-deal Brexit.

Rather suggests this is dead in the water

JC "I've written to the leaders of other political parties and senior backbenchers from across Parliament to lay out my plan to stop a disastrous No Deal Brexit and let the people decide the future of our country."


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« Reply #19806 on: August 15, 2019, 03:25:21 PM »

Mark Sedwill letter to Jeremy Corbyn  on impact of possible election on Brexit

I thought that the words "and parliament" were the most interesting part of this
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« Reply #19807 on: August 15, 2019, 03:59:10 PM »

Either these Labour MPs are playing politics, or they don’t understand how Corbyn is viewed by those outside of their tribute.

Tories, Lib Dems and centrists see him as a risk equal to - or greater than - no deal.

Any other mainstream Labour figure (Cooper say) and it’d be a different story.

Another accident of circumstance that makes it all such a mess
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« Reply #19808 on: August 15, 2019, 06:00:31 PM »

so Sarah Wollaston says

"it should probably be none of the party leaders that head that temporary arrangement, if that’s where we get to. I think having a trusted figure that commands cross-party support would be much better"
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« Reply #19809 on: August 15, 2019, 06:01:22 PM »

and Swinson replies to Corbyn as follows thereafter
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« Reply #19810 on: August 15, 2019, 06:02:06 PM »

which just shows that the remain factions in parliament are far too split to act as a coherent voice

A GNU seems a long way away
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« Reply #19811 on: August 15, 2019, 06:11:25 PM »

So i have been pondering to myself in the light of all this

Would I rather a Corbyn government (possibly temporary) or No deal?

At that particular point I opened my "too difficult" box and locked the padlock.

So i came to the conclusion that if I as a fervent "no no-deal-er" was struggling with it, then so would many others, and no deal was therefore pretty likely

Re-opens Padlocked box.

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« Reply #19812 on: August 15, 2019, 07:28:51 PM »

and Swinson replies to Corbyn as follows thereafter

The line “We are determined to do whatever it takes not only to stop “no deal” but stop Brexit” is basically saying fuck respecting the referendum and fuck the will of the people - we Lib Dem’s know best.

Pretty outrageous really. The referendum result was pointless if politicians are going to completely disregard it.

Difficult to have any respect for this “stop it at all costs” attitude which has been a factor in why we are where we are (along with the other stupid positions of ERG, Labour etc).
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« Reply #19813 on: August 15, 2019, 07:37:58 PM »

It's the fault of how the referendum question was put. It allowed hundreds of different versions of Brexit to coalesce into one "leave" box.

I don't believe the majority of leave voters wanted no deal when they voted.

However to deny that option if that is all there is left (now) obviously causes much consternation of ignoring direct democracy from those who want their vote respected etc

It's a mess.
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« Reply #19814 on: August 15, 2019, 07:42:45 PM »

So i have been pondering to myself in the light of all this

Would I rather a Corbyn government (possibly temporary) or No deal?

At that particular point I opened my "too difficult" box and locked the padlock.

So i came to the conclusion that if I as a fervent "no no-deal-er" was struggling with it, then so would many others, and no deal was therefore pretty likely

Re-opens Padlocked box.

I had the same dilemma and decided I didn't want to try and come up with an answer.

The reality is I desperately want neither.  Both are equally abhorrent options.

The problem with any form of temporary government with Corbyn in charge is that it legitimises his tolerance of anti-semitism in the party, among all the other faults.  Quite how you can put someone in as PM who's led the Labour Party to an ongoing EHRC investigation is beyond comprehension.

A 'unity government' needs to be as free from party allegiance as possible for it to be able to succeed, which to me means that it can't be led by any of the party leaders.  The Ken Clarke / Harriet Harman suggestion is the most logical one to me in being able to achieve that.

Additionally, the fact that there's been such an adverse reaction to the thought of Corbyn as a short-term PM doesn't bode well for the prospects of the electorate as a whole being inclined to vote him in during a GE.  If anything, the discussion seems to have crystallised many people's thoughts as to how repellant a prospect it would be.  Admittedly, I'm seeing a disproportionate amount of these views via my own Twitter echo chamber, which is largely free of the #NotACult population.

The frustrating thing is that everyone seems to be drawing lines around the formation of any temporary government, forgetting the fact that they have to win a VONC to reach that point.  That requires that they're unified in being prepared to pass it, beyond which they can start to worry about who can command confidence to run a government.  Corbyn can try to form one at that stage, which I suspect he'd be unable to do.  Whether anyone else is capable of doing so is open to question.

However, all of that is moot until such time as a VONC gets passed, and the rhetoric from all sides today doesn't offer much hope at the moment.
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