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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
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« Reply #19980 on: August 23, 2019, 02:48:28 PM »

"While Remainers tear strips off each other, Johnson continues to hurtle us towards no-deal.

Only one thing is now certain: if opponents of no-deal don’t start coordinating, they’ll all share responsibility for the disaster which follows. "

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-government-national-unity-jonathan-lis-remain
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« Reply #19981 on: August 23, 2019, 03:10:52 PM »

The meaning of no deal has changed over the months, now it means, there are hundreds of mini deals that have been done so that Mr Johnson and his govt can shout - look we did no deal and the planes kept flying and things were not terrible, it’s just not No Deal anymore.
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« Reply #19982 on: August 23, 2019, 03:51:46 PM »

The meaning of no deal has changed over the months, now it means, there are hundreds of mini deals that have been done so that Mr Johnson and his govt can shout - look we did no deal and the planes kept flying and things were not terrible, it’s just not No Deal anymore.

Remainers seem to think it is and that it is still gonna be catastrophic. Is the tactic now gonna be to accuse Boris Johnson of failing by not achieving no-deal, it gets better :-)
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« Reply #19983 on: August 23, 2019, 04:08:36 PM »

It’s a mindset thang

If NI dairy farmers thrive under Boris...Remain will lament all the moo cows destroying earth with their poison bottoms...if Boris solves global warming...Remain will point to falling suncream sales
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« Reply #19984 on: August 24, 2019, 06:37:19 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.

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« Reply #19985 on: August 24, 2019, 08:52:22 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.




Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......
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« Reply #19986 on: August 24, 2019, 09:26:29 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491
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« Reply #19987 on: August 24, 2019, 09:31:48 AM »

The UK goes full Basil Fawlty

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/08/23/week-in-review-the-uk-goes-full-basil-fawlty
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« Reply #19988 on: August 24, 2019, 09:32:36 AM »

this will go down well

Tory Remainers led by Philip Hammond preparing to hold their own talks with Brussels in bid to reach agreement on A50 extension

Hammond said to have retained extensive contacts book of European leaders & ministers from his time as Chancellor

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2033acf2-c520-11e9-9b38-47c3100effef
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« Reply #19989 on: August 24, 2019, 09:40:22 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491


Love these. I know nobody that has ever been interviewed to get a full back up on these statements, so it is hardly comprehensive. Just find a patsy and base your figures round them.

They also merge information from 2001 and 2011, that some real up to date synopsis. 20 years ago LGBT was not even heard of, and immigration wasn't a thing or an issue until about the last 7 years.
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« Reply #19990 on: August 24, 2019, 09:41:30 AM »

this will go down well

Tory Remainers led by Philip Hammond preparing to hold their own talks with Brussels in bid to reach agreement on A50 extension

Hammond said to have retained extensive contacts book of European leaders & ministers from his time as Chancellor

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2033acf2-c520-11e9-9b38-47c3100effef


Might pop over and have a chat myself, will be just as worthwhile......
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« Reply #19991 on: August 24, 2019, 09:48:20 AM »

Philip Hammond has turned into a pantomime villain. I simply recoil at the thought of having to work with this odious individual as part of my team

Every time I see a photo I’m thinking Mr Burns from The Simpsons or Cyril Sneer from The Raccoons
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« Reply #19992 on: August 24, 2019, 10:22:17 AM »

Philip Hammond has turned into a pantomime villain. I simply recoil at the thought of having to work with this odious individual as part of my team

Every time I see a photo I’m thinking Mr Burns from The Simpsons or Cyril Sneer from The Raccoons

Not a subject I like speculating on but this must be ~ what a Dominic Cummings wet dream looks like. You should write and let him know you’re a fan. I’m sure he could arrange for pics of Hammond’s head on Cyril Sneer’s body to pop up on your fb feed.

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« Reply #19993 on: August 24, 2019, 10:25:47 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491


Love these. I know nobody that has ever been interviewed to get a full back up on these statements, so it is hardly comprehensive. Just find a patsy and base your figures round them.

They also merge information from 2001 and 2011, that some real up to date synopsis. 20 years ago LGBT was not even heard of, and immigration wasn't a thing or an issue until about the last 7 years.

As always people can read the methodology and findings of the study, read your dismissal of it and make their own mind up.

Any concerns that you’ve done exactly what you criticised Aaron for?
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« Reply #19994 on: August 24, 2019, 10:38:20 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491


Love these. I know nobody that has ever been interviewed to get a full back up on these statements, so it is hardly comprehensive. Just find a patsy and base your figures round them.

They also merge information from 2001 and 2011, that some real up to date synopsis. 20 years ago LGBT was not even heard of, and immigration wasn't a thing or an issue until about the last 7 years.

As always people can read the methodology and findings of the study, read your dismissal of it and make their own mind up.

Any concerns that you’ve done exactly what you criticised Aaron for?

Not at all. As ever you have twisted stuff.

Aaron makes up percentages and stats, where have I done that?

Please show me and I will apologise
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