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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
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Labour - 12 (21.8%)
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« Reply #19995 on: August 23, 2019, 12:12:43 PM »

So really posting links to most media is a waste of time

Feel sorry for Tighty wasting all that time posting links to The Guardian with their anti Brexit bias


It's a good job your/my posts are a valuable use of time or we would all be as daft as each other.
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« Reply #19996 on: August 23, 2019, 02:45:23 PM »

Angela Merkel: 'I did not set 30-day deadline'.

"I said that what one can achieve in three or two years can also be achieved in 30 days."

"It is not about 30 days. The 30 days were meant as an example to highlight the fact that we need to achieve it in a short time."

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« Reply #19997 on: August 23, 2019, 02:46:01 PM »

EU diplomats are brainstorming a plan for a stripped down backstop for livestock and agricultural produce only, just for all-Ireland,

Will this be the solution for a deal? Can the DUP be persuaded?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/9780654/new-brexit-deal-stripped-backstop-no-deal/
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« Reply #19998 on: August 23, 2019, 02:46:25 PM »

Merkel and Johnson's meeting, as reported in the German press:

https://armchairideology.blogspot.com/2019/08/merkel-and-johnsons-meeting-as-reported.html
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« Reply #19999 on: August 23, 2019, 02:47:43 PM »

BBC Reality check

What are the AlternativeArrangements for the Irish border which Boris Johnson keeps highlighting? And could they help avoid a hard border after Brexit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48884436
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« Reply #20000 on: August 23, 2019, 02:48:28 PM »

"While Remainers tear strips off each other, Johnson continues to hurtle us towards no-deal.

Only one thing is now certain: if opponents of no-deal don’t start coordinating, they’ll all share responsibility for the disaster which follows. "

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/no-deal-brexit-government-national-unity-jonathan-lis-remain
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« Reply #20001 on: August 23, 2019, 03:10:52 PM »

The meaning of no deal has changed over the months, now it means, there are hundreds of mini deals that have been done so that Mr Johnson and his govt can shout - look we did no deal and the planes kept flying and things were not terrible, it’s just not No Deal anymore.
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« Reply #20002 on: August 23, 2019, 03:51:46 PM »

The meaning of no deal has changed over the months, now it means, there are hundreds of mini deals that have been done so that Mr Johnson and his govt can shout - look we did no deal and the planes kept flying and things were not terrible, it’s just not No Deal anymore.

Remainers seem to think it is and that it is still gonna be catastrophic. Is the tactic now gonna be to accuse Boris Johnson of failing by not achieving no-deal, it gets better :-)
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« Reply #20003 on: August 23, 2019, 04:08:36 PM »

It’s a mindset thang

If NI dairy farmers thrive under Boris...Remain will lament all the moo cows destroying earth with their poison bottoms...if Boris solves global warming...Remain will point to falling suncream sales
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« Reply #20004 on: August 24, 2019, 06:37:19 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.

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« Reply #20005 on: August 24, 2019, 08:52:22 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.




Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......
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« Reply #20006 on: August 24, 2019, 09:26:29 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491
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« Reply #20007 on: August 24, 2019, 09:31:48 AM »

The UK goes full Basil Fawlty

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/08/23/week-in-review-the-uk-goes-full-basil-fawlty
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« Reply #20008 on: August 24, 2019, 09:32:36 AM »

this will go down well

Tory Remainers led by Philip Hammond preparing to hold their own talks with Brussels in bid to reach agreement on A50 extension

Hammond said to have retained extensive contacts book of European leaders & ministers from his time as Chancellor

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2033acf2-c520-11e9-9b38-47c3100effef
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« Reply #20009 on: August 24, 2019, 09:40:22 AM »

On the grounds that this thread is just a circular argument about the coincidence of some brexiters are racist and on the other side some remainers think climate change is bad. Is there any polling to prove either postulation?

My personal opinion on Brexit. I voted remain on Brexit, but the UK could not remain in the EU for the long term, as not being part of the Euro means that we are not part of core Europe, this needs to become an integrated currency area, with common debt, bank resolution regulations, ultimately a single govt. There is little way that the UK and Denmark are going to be able to remain in the EU while this goes on. This requires a two speed Europe, how this is achieved is a function of time and patience. I have no problem with freedom of capital, freedom of trade (goods and services) and freedom of labour. So leaving the EU and joining EFTA would be my choice, achieved through a negotiated treaty.

Words have changed meaning so much in the past 3 years that this would have been labelled an opinion equating to leaving, but now is seen as position of remain.


Aaron has some stats to back this up, but he can't find the links or the source.......

https://academic.oup.com/economicpolicy/article/32/92/601/4459491


Love these. I know nobody that has ever been interviewed to get a full back up on these statements, so it is hardly comprehensive. Just find a patsy and base your figures round them.

They also merge information from 2001 and 2011, that some real up to date synopsis. 20 years ago LGBT was not even heard of, and immigration wasn't a thing or an issue until about the last 7 years.
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