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« Reply #19950 on: August 22, 2019, 10:45:45 AM »

The stand-off over the backstop is as much about who gains control of the Brexit narrative as it is about the issue itself

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/no-10-hits-back-in-the-backstop-blame-game/
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« Reply #19951 on: August 22, 2019, 10:50:47 AM »

Voting intention among Remain voters and Leave voters since the 2017 general election.

Shows quite how much the 2019 EU elections changed the political landscape, and also why Boris Johnson and the Tories are best placed if an early election is called

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/21/boris-can-win-only-going-after-brexit-party-voters

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« Reply #19952 on: August 22, 2019, 11:52:48 AM »

On the subject of misrepresentation of the Bojo/Merkel press conference and the fact Merkel “gave Boris 30 days” etc

Just interesting to point out Merkel is not the EU negotiator. Speaking for the 27 probably not in her remit like and highlights the George Orwell all equals quote. If leader of minor member steps up with this rhetoric it’d be wtf??
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« Reply #19953 on: August 22, 2019, 12:05:45 PM »

rofl it wasn't a negotiation, it was a trap for johnson who has to now come up with something that isn't laughable.
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« Reply #19954 on: August 22, 2019, 12:10:03 PM »

On the subject of misrepresentation of the Bojo/Merkel press conference and the fact Merkel “gave Boris 30 days” etc

Just interesting to point out Merkel is not the EU negotiator. Speaking for the 27 probably not in her remit like and highlights the George Orwell all equals quote. If leader of minor member steps up with this rhetoric it’d be wtf??

This is the point though, Merkel didn’t suggest anything had changed at all (unless there’s a mistranslation). We can listen to every word:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BqxVl-KjZi4
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« Reply #19955 on: August 22, 2019, 12:13:20 PM »

rofl it wasn't a negotiation, it was a trap for johnson who has to now come up with something that isn't laughable.

He also acknowledged that it’s on us to sort out the border problem, a clear departure from recent message/posturing and surely another mistake that he’s made in the heat of the moment. Certainly a strategic mistake in the blame game.
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« Reply #19956 on: August 22, 2019, 12:27:44 PM »

https://twitter.com/johnmcdonnellMP/status/1164491243302400007?s=19

Free, gender responsive, a dash of climate.. What's not to like. How am I going to vote Labour.. for real
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« Reply #19957 on: August 22, 2019, 12:32:38 PM »

Macron meets Johnson in Paris: Macron calls the backstop "not just legal quibbling" but "genuine, indispensable guarantees". Not a great start.

Macron: "I’ve always been presented as the hard boy in the group. But that’s just because I’ve always been clear".

Then goes on to prove it: "We will not find a new solution in the 30 days that will be very different from the existing one”.

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Probably fair. If a viable technical solution was available, it would have been proposed and accepted by now. Not sure that believing in brexit changes that.
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« Reply #19958 on: August 22, 2019, 12:33:22 PM »

In response, Johnson chides Macron by contrasting his pessimism to Merkel's "can do spirit". Adds: "Where there’s a will there’s a way”.

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« Reply #19959 on: August 22, 2019, 12:46:20 PM »

Macron meets Johnson in Paris: Macron calls the backstop "not just legal quibbling" but "genuine, indispensable guarantees". Not a great start.

Macron: "I’ve always been presented as the hard boy in the group. But that’s just because I’ve always been clear".

Then goes on to prove it: "We will not find a new solution in the 30 days that will be very different from the existing one”.

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Probably fair. If a viable technical solution was available, it would have been proposed and accepted by now. Not sure that believing in brexit changes that.

“Rofl it wasn’t a negotiation”
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« Reply #19960 on: August 22, 2019, 01:43:43 PM »

Macron meets Johnson in Paris: Macron calls the backstop "not just legal quibbling" but "genuine, indispensable guarantees". Not a great start.

Macron: "I’ve always been presented as the hard boy in the group. But that’s just because I’ve always been clear".

Then goes on to prove it: "We will not find a new solution in the 30 days that will be very different from the existing one”.

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Probably fair. If a viable technical solution was available, it would have been proposed and accepted by now. Not sure that believing in brexit changes that.

“Rofl it wasn’t a negotiation”

In response, Johnson chides Macron by contrasting his pessimism to Merkel's "can do spirit". Adds: "Where there’s a will there’s a way”.

lol.

and johnson the mug gets played again by insisting he will come up with a solution.

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« Reply #19961 on: August 22, 2019, 01:48:23 PM »

Macron meets Johnson in Paris: Macron calls the backstop "not just legal quibbling" but "genuine, indispensable guarantees". Not a great start.

Macron: "I’ve always been presented as the hard boy in the group. But that’s just because I’ve always been clear".

Then goes on to prove it: "We will not find a new solution in the 30 days that will be very different from the existing one”.

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Probably fair. If a viable technical solution was available, it would have been proposed and accepted by now. Not sure that believing in brexit changes that.

“Rofl it wasn’t a negotiation”

In response, Johnson chides Macron by contrasting his pessimism to Merkel's "can do spirit". Adds: "Where there’s a will there’s a way”.

lol.

and johnson the mug gets played again by insisting he will come up with a solution.



Not quite sure how else he should try and act?

Maybe you could make a contribution of a thought process, as to how we go about this, rather than just slag things off?
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« Reply #19962 on: August 22, 2019, 01:56:03 PM »

So who blinks first.. The EU, Bojo and Co,  or the rest of parliament.
2 out of 3 serious runners but can't pick.
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« Reply #19963 on: August 22, 2019, 02:07:02 PM »

So who blinks first.. The EU, Bojo and Co,  or the rest of parliament.
2 out of 3 serious runners but can't pick.

no one blinks and its no deal by default?

otherwise

EU shouldn't blink, or not easy to blink without shafting Ireland
Parliament will try to block but its a shambles of competing interests and party biases.
Boris and co might blink. try to get a few concessions, stick some lipstick and a blonde wig on the WA and present it as a new deal?
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« Reply #19964 on: August 22, 2019, 02:21:09 PM »

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If we get to the 24th October is it possible for someone to enter a motion for a vote on an extension?

Parliament votes to extend by a clear majority.

Does Boris have to request one or can he just ignore this?

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