The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[aaron1867]

I don't think lots of Labour voters will vote Tory, but I think a lot will be so disheartened by what Corbyn is doing they may not vote at all

That might happen, I for one will not vote Labour and have probably switched to LD. However, like a lot of Labour areas, they have high majorities like the one I am in.

If 75% Labour voted remain, I think a high majority would still vote Labour again, whilst the other 25% are the ones that could swing the election. They could bite their tongue and still vote Labour knowing the complexities, not vote at all, maybe vote Brexit, but never vote Tory. The Tories need to pick up votes and I am not sure where that surge is coming from, do you? Not to repeat myself, but looks certain they're dropping all seats in Scotland.............

[tikay]

https://twitter.com/dionfanning/status/1169309541902770182?s=20

10 minutes long thought it was very good

Oh my. A timely reminder.

[MANTIS01]

Aaron, all of a sudden it matters not that Boris & Cummings are dipshit lying racialist etc because they’ve been neutralised.

At some point that rhetoric had to change and now the baton of power has been wrestled into opposition hands that time has arrived. How is that power going to be used? What leadership and solutions are being proposed? What’s the plan? Using that power to say Boris & Cummings are dipshit lying racialist etc is both pointless and not a vote winner to an electorate hungry for resolution.

The idea for opposition to call a second referendum is flawed because the whole basis of ignoring the first is a conviction that politicians were saving people from inflicting great harm on themselves. It’s not tenable to ask again then shrug shoulders and say that noble pursuit of saving the country is now invalid

[aaron1867]

Aaron, all of a sudden it matters not that Boris & Cummings are dipshit lying racialist etc because they’ve been neutralised.

At some point that rhetoric had to change and now the baton of power has been wrestled into opposition hands that time has arrived. How is that power going to be used? What leadership and solutions are being proposed? What’s the plan? Using that power to say Boris & Cummings are dipshit lying racialist etc is both pointless and not a vote winner to an electorate hungry for resolution.

The idea for opposition to call a second referendum is flawed because the whole basis of ignoring the first is a conviction that politicians were saving people from inflicting great harm on themselves. It’s not tenable to ask again then shrug shoulders and say that noble pursuit of saving the country is now invalid

You know exactly what the opposition are trying to do with the baton, but they only have that baton because of a flawed No.10 strategy

[BigAdz]

Off tangent slightly, but whilst in Norway yesterday, it was all over the Norwegian press that their Government had signed a £6billion deal with the UK over fishing rights for the future, regardless of Brexit.

Another not so glum bit of news going on behind the scenes.

[Marky147]

Off tangent slightly, but whilst in Norway yesterday, it was all over the Norwegian press that their Government had signed a £6billion deal with the UK over fishing rights for the future, regardless of Brexit.

Another not so glum bit of news going on behind the scenes.

Will see if Gav is looking for any work

[Woodsey]

Am in Maastricht in a couple of weeks for work. Anyone know where I can find the treaty so I can stick my balaclava on and burn the shit out of it? 

[RED-DOG]

Boris: "I would rather be dead in a ditch than ask for an extension".

If that doesn't prove he's a liar and an idiot I don't know what does.

[aaron1867]

Watch Boris’ speech today and just take a moment.

Then another.

Maybe on more.

Then ask yourself - is he really fit to be Prime Minister?

If your answer is yes, you really shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

[arbboy]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.  who cares if #bankofmumanddad exists

[aaron1867]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.

I don’t quite understand the people have died argument. How do we know who they voted for? Of course in older people it’ll be higher, but I think people assume it’s 100% leave voters. Like they assume 16-18 yrs vote to remain, but yet a poll shows it’s not that clear cut.

I personally am not here to overturn the result (but I’d like that), but instead ask that question again with a clear vision. There is no way on earth MP’s could ignore the public if they voted to leave again.

The horrible thing about this is that an election could leave us in exactly the same position where no decisions can be made.

And btw, for balance, I don’t like the taking no deal off the table turns GE option, cake and eating it comes to mind. Sadly, the opposition have been forced into that because of Cummings and Boris. Hence, why they aren’t voting for an election.

[Doobs]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.

I don’t quite understand the people have died argument. How do we know who they voted for? Of course in older people it’ll be higher, but I think people assume it’s 100% leave voters. Like they assume 16-18 yrs vote to remain, but yet a poll shows it’s not that clear cut.

I personally am not here to overturn the result (but I’d like that), but instead ask that question again with a clear vision. There is no way on earth MP’s could ignore the public if they voted to leave again.

The horrible thing about this is that an election could leave us in exactly the same position where no decisions can be made.

And btw, for balance, I don’t like the taking no deal off the table turns GE option, cake and eating it comes to mind. Sadly, the opposition have been forced into that because of Cummings and Boris. Hence, why they aren’t voting for an election.

They don't assume all old people voted leave, or all young people voted remain.  There has just been polling around voting intentions by age.   Mortality rates by age are known for each year as these stats are collected.  We also know how many young adults we have in each age groul.  It isn't a difficult job to put the two together.   I could fling together a spreadsheet in an hour. 

It has been known for a while that if nobody changed their vote, the majority would be lost about now.   I dare say it would have gone quicker if a few more young people could be arsed.

[arbboy]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.

I don’t quite understand the people have died argument. How do we know who they voted for? Of course in older people it’ll be higher, but I think people assume it’s 100% leave voters. Like they assume 16-18 yrs vote to remain, but yet a poll shows it’s not that clear cut.

I personally am not here to overturn the result (but I’d like that), but instead ask that question again with a clear vision. There is no way on earth MP’s could ignore the public if they voted to leave again.

The horrible thing about this is that an election could leave us in exactly the same position where no decisions can be made.

And btw, for balance, I don’t like the taking no deal off the table turns GE option, cake and eating it comes to mind. Sadly, the opposition have been forced into that because of Cummings and Boris. Hence, why they aren’t voting for an election.

I deliberated posted this arron to prove how clueless you are about this subject and you have fallen into the trap and bit like a proper fish.   You really aren't as smart or as clued up as you like to think.

[aaron1867]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.

I don’t quite understand the people have died argument. How do we know who they voted for? Of course in older people it’ll be higher, but I think people assume it’s 100% leave voters. Like they assume 16-18 yrs vote to remain, but yet a poll shows it’s not that clear cut.

I personally am not here to overturn the result (but I’d like that), but instead ask that question again with a clear vision. There is no way on earth MP’s could ignore the public if they voted to leave again.

The horrible thing about this is that an election could leave us in exactly the same position where no decisions can be made.

And btw, for balance, I don’t like the taking no deal off the table turns GE option, cake and eating it comes to mind. Sadly, the opposition have been forced into that because of Cummings and Boris. Hence, why they aren’t voting for an election.

I deliberated posted this arron to prove how clueless you are about this subject and you have fallen into the trap and bit like a proper fish.   You really aren't as smart or as clued up as you like to think.

The problem with what you say is that I’ve never claimed to be smart or “clued up”.

[arbboy]

A question for leave voters:

Let's say there was a second referendum tomorrow. It gives the whole country a time to have a final say again on Brexit. The MP's can't block it as they know we've voted a second time and it means any decision will be implemented. But on the other side of the coin there is a chance we might choose to remain. The ballot paper also gives you some sort of drop-down option.

A) Would you support it?

B) The drop down option for leave voters is a choice between DEAL (A deal similar to May's & would take 3-6 months to conclude) or No DEAL (leave straight away). Which would you choose?

If there was a second vote tomorroow and everyone voted the same as before and i mean everyone i am pretty sure remain would win just because all the people who have died in the last few years voted leave and all the 15-18 year olds would vote remain and remain would literally shit up.   I am getting bored of people saying if there was a second vote the result would be different.   Course it fucking would be because of the facts above more than any other factor.   The vote was done in 2016 and it was close so saying it would be different 3 years on is obvious.   Why don't we wait another ten years and it might be 30/70 leave then?

Young people don't realise by voting remain they are going to find it harder and harder to get on the property ladder.

I don’t quite understand the people have died argument. How do we know who they voted for? Of course in older people it’ll be higher, but I think people assume it’s 100% leave voters. Like they assume 16-18 yrs vote to remain, but yet a poll shows it’s not that clear cut.

I personally am not here to overturn the result (but I’d like that), but instead ask that question again with a clear vision. There is no way on earth MP’s could ignore the public if they voted to leave again.

The horrible thing about this is that an election could leave us in exactly the same position where no decisions can be made.

And btw, for balance, I don’t like the taking no deal off the table turns GE option, cake and eating it comes to mind. Sadly, the opposition have been forced into that because of Cummings and Boris. Hence, why they aren’t voting for an election.

I deliberated posted this arron to prove how clueless you are about this subject and you have fallen into the trap and bit like a proper fish.   You really aren't as smart or as clued up as you like to think.

The problem with what you say is that I’ve never claimed to be smart or “clued up”.

But you constantly belittle most people on this thread who don't agree with your ultra remain views.   That's my point.   You really aren't that smart.   I have trapped you like a good un and you fell into the trap.   Anyone with the slightest knowledge of this debate knows that remain would easily win now everything else being equal 2019 to 2016 for the reasons i have stated yet you didn't think that.