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Question: How will you vote on June 8th 2017
Conservative - 30 (28%)
Labour - 37 (34.6%)
Lib Dem - 13 (12.1%)
UKIP - 1 (0.9%)
Green - 1 (0.9%)
Nationalist party eg SNP, Plaid - 10 (9.3%)
Don't intend to vote - 4 (3.7%)
I really don't know yet - 11 (10.3%)
Total Voters: 107

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« Reply #20835 on: September 13, 2019, 08:11:18 PM »

I said it a few days ago about the response of voters to MP’s, but everywhere Boris goes he’s heckled or facing aggression from voters.

I’ll say this again - you’ve got to worry for him & other MP’s if this continues.
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« Reply #20836 on: September 13, 2019, 10:37:26 PM »

Two countries in the world survive on WTO and few trade deals. Ours will take years todo. No deal will lead to severe economic hardship, but probably not for commodity traders in the Midlands with substantial funds behind them.

boris himself was reportedly spooked by how bad no deal looked in forecasts, and is trying to do a deal. Thankfully

I am surprised and disappointed in your view Trevor, it really is so difficult to untangle an integrated major economy in a just in time world.

As to Adz, the rather tortuous analogy completely lost me, not for the first time. Maybe that's me though

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

You are a far superior being to me, and I am not worthy to even address you. But you know that already.
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« Reply #20837 on: September 14, 2019, 12:44:37 AM »

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.
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« Reply #20838 on: September 14, 2019, 12:47:19 AM »

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.
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« Reply #20839 on: September 14, 2019, 12:52:06 AM »

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

I get that. But he also is very popular, look at the 2017 result, it was expected to be a huge tory majority. I just don't see how a labour voters values can suddenly tick the tory box. At least if you're vote is all about Brexit, you can understand the a vote for Brexit Party.

Think Labour are going to lose votes everywhere. I certainly would never vote for the again with Jeremy in charge.
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« Reply #20840 on: September 14, 2019, 01:16:43 AM »

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

I get that. But he also is very popular, look at the 2017 result, it was expected to be a huge tory majority. I just don't see how a labour voters values can suddenly tick the tory box. At least if you're vote is all about Brexit, you can understand the a vote for Brexit Party.

Think Labour are going to lose votes everywhere. I certainly would never vote for the again with Jeremy in charge.

In 2017 maybot was shite and since then people have seen even more what a useless clown JC is, your last sentence really does sum it up. Sure the Brexit stuff on top of that.....He was clearly delighted to support an election recently despite spending the last 6 months asking for one 
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« Reply #20841 on: September 14, 2019, 01:52:47 AM »

Lots of different polls and information on Twitter, some from saying Tories could get a majority and one saying likelyhood is 295-300.

But I was staggered to see someones graphs showing about Labour leavers and the way they would vote. I genuinely thought that despite the Labour's move to a softer/no brexit that they still would never vote Tory. But according to this it shows 18% vote Brexit Party and 11% vote Tory. Staggering really.

Not really when you consider who is in charge of the Labour Party.

I get that. But he also is very popular, look at the 2017 result, it was expected to be a huge tory majority. I just don't see how a labour voters values can suddenly tick the tory box. At least if you're vote is all about Brexit, you can understand the a vote for Brexit Party.

Think Labour are going to lose votes everywhere. I certainly would never vote for the again with Jeremy in charge.

In 2017 maybot was shite and since then people have seen even more what a useless clown JC is, your last sentence really does sum it up. Sure the Brexit stuff on top of that.....He was clearly delighted to support an election recently despite spending the last 6 months asking for one 

My last sentence does sum it up and I am no election expert, but I seem to remember someone saying that Labour seem to win seats with huge majorities, so it has to be questioneed how it will effect them. I can 100% get why it would be a switch to Lib Dem or Brexit Party if Brexit is that important to you, but tories? I don't get it. 11% is small swig, but its more than double I'd have expected. Labour probably lose 20 seats. But Corbyn does campaign well, as does Boris....

I will for one be glad when this election comes, but my gut feeling is that we will be in the same boat. I think we will end up with a very small majority remain coalition. But also wonder wtf happens when Brexit is over and done with? No majority for either side? Sure, those who are there for no deal, are they going to vote for other stuff in the future?

As for you and Labour's quest for an election, you know full well that they're trying to block no deal. If Boris hadn't gone down the route of suspending or Cummings wasn't there, we'd be in election campaigns now!
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« Reply #20842 on: September 14, 2019, 07:55:58 AM »

I have no idea of the numbers so this maybe wrong, but wasnt a large chunk of the 2017 young/new voters motivated by JC's lies about student debt and tuition fees?
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« Reply #20843 on: September 14, 2019, 08:01:41 AM »

I have no idea of the numbers so this maybe wrong, but wasnt a large chunk of the 2017 young/new voters motivated by JC's lies about student debt and tuition fees?

Don’t be stupid, only Boris tells lies 
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« Reply #20844 on: September 14, 2019, 09:32:49 AM »

it keeps coming

Of 63 local authorities that responded to FOI requests released yesterday, well over half said they expected shortages (food/medicine/fuel), civil unrest, and greater difficulty providing essential services, if the UK leaves the EU without a deal

https://www.businessinsider.com/no-deal-brexit-documents-reveal-councils-expect-food-shortages-riots-2019-9?r=US&IR=T


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« Reply #20845 on: September 14, 2019, 09:34:13 AM »

this is worth clicking on and reading

it begins

Let us assume that a) Johnson now realises why his erstwhile colleagues were so opposed to no deal and doesn't relish the idea of fighting an election just after one, and b) therefore genuinely now wants a deal with EU, but c)  also finds that the only deal available is going to be pretty similar to the one he has campaigned against for past year.

it then continues...

https://twitter.com/LawDavF/status/1172242219996209156?s=20
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« Reply #20846 on: September 14, 2019, 09:37:54 AM »

a reminder, because i think the venn diagram shows it very well, who is he going to ditch to get the deal?

No one has found a deal that hits D yet

I'll say now he has a majority of -45 so the DUP deal is moot, he will stuff them
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« Reply #20847 on: September 14, 2019, 10:02:21 AM »

it keeps coming

Of 63 local authorities that responded to FOI requests released yesterday, well over half said they expected shortages (food/medicine/fuel), civil unrest, and greater difficulty providing essential services, if the UK leaves the EU without a deal

https://www.businessinsider.com/no-deal-brexit-documents-reveal-councils-expect-food-shortages-riots-2019-9?r=US&IR=T




I think people like you permanently talking up civil unrest, (yes I know it's not you, but you keep repeating it,) are being very socially irresponsible.


It's almost giving the green light to riot if you say it enough and water it down so it's almost expected.

Shame on those that keep doing it.
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« Reply #20848 on: September 14, 2019, 10:11:23 AM »

Boris made a great move this week that went under the radar, or was forced under the radar by the press.

His move to grant foreign university students a free pass to the UK should they qualify, was pure genius.

Not only does it keep the cream here, which has always been a point some of us worried about immigration have been making for years, but it should also dispel the idiotic notion we are a country of racists....
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« Reply #20849 on: September 14, 2019, 10:36:43 AM »

Social unrest is inevitable I think, whatever happens not talking it up or wishing for it, nor do I regard it as irresponsible to mention it.
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