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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #20850 on: September 15, 2019, 10:58:52 AM »

More in line with other recent polls Comres then came out

CON 28
LAB 27
LD 20
BXP 13
SNP 4
GRN 2
OTHERS 2
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« Reply #20851 on: September 15, 2019, 10:59:37 AM »

The path of polling is interesting

this wiki page shows them in chronological order

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
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« Reply #20852 on: September 15, 2019, 11:07:20 AM »

Latest Brexit, "what next?", flowchart

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« Reply #20853 on: September 16, 2019, 01:17:37 AM »

The path of polling is interesting

this wiki page shows them in chronological order

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

The polling seems wild at the minute.  I can't remember a time when there was such disagreement in the polls.  Yougove have been consistenly putting the Tories higher than average for a while, so that is no surprise, but just look at the variety just this last week there have been 2 polls giving the Tories a 1% lead and tow others giving them 12% and 14%.
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« Reply #20854 on: September 16, 2019, 11:46:42 AM »

Latest Brexit, "what next?", flowchart

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Ah saw this on twitter....but they couldn't answer the most important question................Indian or African ?
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« Reply #20855 on: September 16, 2019, 02:37:05 PM »

Latest Brexit, "what next?", flowchart

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Ah saw this on twitter....but they couldn't answer the most important question................Indian or African ?


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« Reply #20856 on: September 16, 2019, 10:42:39 PM »

Pretty interesting article here which tries to explain why the polls are all over the place at the moment.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10093

Seems a lot of it comes down to people either not remembering, or deliberately misstating, who they voted for at the last election. The polling companies try to correct for this in different ways, hence big difference in the numbers they report.
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« Reply #20857 on: September 17, 2019, 12:16:55 AM »

I am not surprised to see the backlash to the Lib Dem position in the last few days. They are basically the new Brexit Party, with one message.

I've seen tweets, facebook posts and so on from people say it's not fair to say let's just cancel Brexit. They believe the ultimate way foward is a second vote. I think my favourite response was seeing "A stupid policy from a party who know they'll not get in".

The surge from the Lib Dems has been a lot slower since Jo Swinson joined. She ultimately might want to stop Brexit, but she will probably be paving the way for Brexit to happen.
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« Reply #20858 on: September 17, 2019, 11:21:29 AM »

Didn't the Lib Dem surge just happen because people faced the reality of voting for a party with an ambiguous Brexit position, and not because Vince Cable was better than Jo Swinson.   Since she has taken over their support has remained at the level it was when she took over.

I don't realloy see why a 2nd referendum is so great, have people not learned anything from having one before?  And I don't see how a 1-1 score really helps.  I also don't think that there isn't much wrong in having a manifesto with a simple Brexit policy.   
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« Reply #20859 on: September 17, 2019, 12:14:40 PM »

Didn't the Lib Dem surge just happen because people faced the reality of voting for a party with an ambiguous Brexit position, and not because Vince Cable was better than Jo Swinson.   Since she has taken over their support has remained at the level it was when she took over.

I don't realloy see why a 2nd referendum is so great, have people not learned anything from having one before?  And I don't see how a 1-1 score really helps.  I also don't think that there isn't much wrong in having a manifesto with a simple Brexit policy.   

Agree its legit fair etc to take this position into a GE and seek a mandate for it. Be interesting to see if it turns out to be a vote winner or loser
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« Reply #20860 on: September 17, 2019, 12:15:33 PM »

Pretty interesting article here which tries to explain why the polls are all over the place at the moment.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10093

Seems a lot of it comes down to people either not remembering, or deliberately misstating, who they voted for at the last election. The polling companies try to correct for this in different ways, hence big difference in the numbers they report.

That is interesting. Think I might have to read it again to get it though
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« Reply #20861 on: September 17, 2019, 03:42:15 PM »

Didn't the Lib Dem surge just happen because people faced the reality of voting for a party with an ambiguous Brexit position, and not because Vince Cable was better than Jo Swinson.   Since she has taken over their support has remained at the level it was when she took over.

I don't realloy see why a 2nd referendum is so great, have people not learned anything from having one before?  And I don't see how a 1-1 score really helps.  I also don't think that there isn't much wrong in having a manifesto with a simple Brexit policy.   

Agree its legit fair etc to take this position into a GE and seek a mandate for it. Be interesting to see if it turns out to be a vote winner or loser

It’s fine to take the position, but it’s neither liberal, nor democratic.
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« Reply #20862 on: September 17, 2019, 05:06:14 PM »

Didn't the Lib Dem surge just happen because people faced the reality of voting for a party with an ambiguous Brexit position, and not because Vince Cable was better than Jo Swinson.   Since she has taken over their support has remained at the level it was when she took over.

I don't realloy see why a 2nd referendum is so great, have people not learned anything from having one before?  And I don't see how a 1-1 score really helps.  I also don't think that there isn't much wrong in having a manifesto with a simple Brexit policy.   

Agree its legit fair etc to take this position into a GE and seek a mandate for it. Be interesting to see if it turns out to be a vote winner or loser

It’s fine to take the position, but it’s neither liberal, nor democratic.

But if the Lib Dem’s get voted into power on the basis of the position then it becomes democratic.
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« Reply #20863 on: September 17, 2019, 06:04:42 PM »

Didn't the Lib Dem surge just happen because people faced the reality of voting for a party with an ambiguous Brexit position, and not because Vince Cable was better than Jo Swinson.   Since she has taken over their support has remained at the level it was when she took over.

I don't realloy see why a 2nd referendum is so great, have people not learned anything from having one before?  And I don't see how a 1-1 score really helps.  I also don't think that there isn't much wrong in having a manifesto with a simple Brexit policy.   

Agree its legit fair etc to take this position into a GE and seek a mandate for it. Be interesting to see if it turns out to be a vote winner or loser

It’s fine to take the position, but it’s neither liberal, nor democratic.

Advisory referendum to inform policy. If you don't like the policy they have taken then don't vote for them. How is that undemocratic?
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« Reply #20864 on: September 17, 2019, 06:14:31 PM »

Just heard the final Swinson pitch.

She really has let the job go to her head.
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