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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 19 (33.9%)
Labour - 12 (21.4%)
SNP - 2 (3.6%)
Lib Dem - 8 (14.3%)
Brexit - 1 (1.8%)
Green - 6 (10.7%)
Other - 2 (3.6%)
Spoil - 0 (0%)
Not voting - 6 (10.7%)
Total Voters: 55

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« Reply #21540 on: October 19, 2019, 02:50:35 PM »

Letwin passes 322-306
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« Reply #21541 on: October 19, 2019, 03:00:16 PM »

Letwins amendment will just strengthen Johnson’s public appeal in the next GE.

MP’s really are having to be dragging kicking and screaming to finalise the vote.

The public will be more fed up with more delay.
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« Reply #21542 on: October 19, 2019, 03:01:24 PM »

Strong words from PM "I will not negotiate a delay with the EU".


But Benn act means he now has to send the letter requesting extension

Meanwhile we know he now has 306 votes for his deal, needs 14 more when it finally gets voted on next week

Letwin would not have passed without the DUP's support

Jeff Stelling can wait
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« Reply #21543 on: October 19, 2019, 03:01:40 PM »

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay confirmed earlier on the BBC news that the UK Government have done no economic analysis of Boris Johnson’s deal. I

Isn't it very strange that he expects MPs to vote for the deal without this?

The answer is 4-6% off GDP by the way compared to no Deal at - 8 and May at - 2/3.

If you know the answer then it's not really a reason for people to go on about a lack of analysis - everyone's an analyst now
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« Reply #21544 on: October 19, 2019, 03:03:50 PM »

A rare outing for the word exegesis. One to slip into casual conversation down the pub.
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« Reply #21545 on: October 19, 2019, 03:07:31 PM »

Speaker Bercow says he will write the letter if asked

Oo-er.
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« Reply #21546 on: October 19, 2019, 03:07:37 PM »

Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay confirmed earlier on the BBC news that the UK Government have done no economic analysis of Boris Johnson’s deal. I

Isn't it very strange that he expects MPs to vote for the deal without this?

The answer is 4-6% off GDP by the way compared to no Deal at - 8 and May at - 2/3.

Not really. It was made crystal clear pre Brexit that leaving has short term negative consequences.

The public voted for Brexit knowing this, as it was stuffed down their throats week in, week out in the lead up to the vote.
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« Reply #21547 on: October 19, 2019, 03:12:27 PM »

I would vote for the deal but it is a huge stretch to say that leave voters knew economic consequences of this magnitude.

Of course it needs a published economic assessment, and Letwin might lead to one
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« Reply #21548 on: October 19, 2019, 03:14:19 PM »

10 independent Conservatives voted for the Letwin amendment:

- Guto Bebb
- Nick Boles
- Ken Clarke
- David Gauke
- Justine Greening
- Dominic Grieve
- Philip Hammond
- Oliver Letwin
- Amber Rudd
- Antionette Sandbach

Letwin and Boles are indicated as will vote for the MV
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« Reply #21549 on: October 19, 2019, 03:15:51 PM »

A rare outing for the word exegesis. One to slip into casual conversation down the pub.

Was that when Mr Bercow slipped it in? Seemed a bit forced, but jolly good all the same.
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« Reply #21550 on: October 19, 2019, 03:19:02 PM »

Speaker Bercow says he will write the letter if asked

Oo-er.

Did I hear Johnson say (in effect) he will not ask for a delay?

He has to, surely?
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« Reply #21551 on: October 19, 2019, 03:20:30 PM »

You did. 11pm deadline tonight. Maybe a few hours of "MPs block Brexit again" headlines first?

Maybe it will all head back to court again
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« Reply #21552 on: October 19, 2019, 03:21:21 PM »

Extraordinary threat from Nigel Dodds, who says DUP will now “examine all amendments” on the bill to protect NI’s place in the union. That includes the one on a second referendum.

If the Union matters most of all to them, Would DUP prefer to reverse Brexit altogether than see PM’s deal go through ?
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« Reply #21553 on: October 19, 2019, 03:46:26 PM »

I would vote for the deal but it is a huge stretch to say that leave voters knew economic consequences of this magnitude.

Of course it needs a published economic assessment, and Letwin might lead to one

Extreme ends of possible projected bad economic outcomes were portrayed as likely time and time again.

The Governor of the BOE, Osborne etc all played this card and people became sick of the establishment figures telling them how to behave and how stupid they would be if voting to leave.

I think the downsides were over played and were widely publicised by all media outlets. The idea the public weren’t told is laughable.
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« Reply #21554 on: October 19, 2019, 03:54:36 PM »

We can agree to disagree. This deal is beyond forecasts in 2016.

Not as bad as no deal, which didn't seep into the debate until after the vote.

As Yellowhammer confirmed, the risks of that were certainly not overstated, but fortunately the risk of that has receded for now
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