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Question: How will you vote on December 12th 2019
Conservative - 17 (34%)
Labour - 12 (24%)
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« Reply #22335 on: December 02, 2019, 11:02:28 PM »

This Tory social/digital media team really are a bunch of shithouses aren't they?! Never Trust A Tory!


The majority of politicians are shithouses, never trust any of them would be a more accurate mantra IMO.


For all his shortcomings, this isn’t a criticism that can be fairly levelled at Corbyn. What is it that you don’t trust about Corbyn?

I lost trust for him when he fabricated the 'no seats available on Virgin trains' story. If he's prepared to lie transparently about an insignificant issue such as that, what won't he lie about?

You will have read about ‘traingate’ in the right wing media, the reality is almost always very different, there’s cctv footage.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/amp/


I stand corrected. I only read The Times, and nothing online other than what I click links for - as I did with your link.
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« Reply #22336 on: December 03, 2019, 02:07:33 AM »

This Tory social/digital media team really are a bunch of shithouses aren't they?! Never Trust A Tory!


The majority of politicians are shithouses, never trust any of them would be a more accurate mantra IMO.


For all his shortcomings, this isn’t a criticism that can be fairly levelled at Corbyn. What is it that you don’t trust about Corbyn?

I lost trust for him when he fabricated the 'no seats available on Virgin trains' story. If he's prepared to lie transparently about an insignificant issue such as that, what won't he lie about?

You will have read about ‘traingate’ in the right wing media, the reality is almost always very different, there’s cctv footage.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/amp/


I stand corrected. I only read The Times, and nothing online other than what I click links for - as I did with your link.

".....sat on the floor.......sat on the floor". English language is clearly not covered in journalism courses.
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« Reply #22337 on: December 03, 2019, 07:45:26 AM »

This Tory social/digital media team really are a bunch of shithouses aren't they?! Never Trust A Tory!


The majority of politicians are shithouses, never trust any of them would be a more accurate mantra IMO.


For all his shortcomings, this isn’t a criticism that can be fairly levelled at Corbyn. What is it that you don’t trust about Corbyn?

Quite a bit tbf

Where to start?
“I was there but not involved in the wreath laying” might make the list.

Or here? https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/23/corbyn-criticised-after-backing-artist-behind-antisemitic-mural

Mostly though it’s his devotion to the flawed concept of state managed industry that really bothers me.

Seems quite exhaustive on the wreath, as always we can apply a bias filter and focus only on what’s in quotes.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-wreath-row

Second one, he acknowledges his misjudgement and as immediately as possible, corrects his position.

Third one has nothing to do with his honesty/integrity and plenty of excellent judges think his ideas are sound. He is proposing smaller public investment than France, levels similar to those in Germany.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/general-election-labour-economy-spending-corbyn-boris-johnson-a9218041.html%3famp

Hmmmm. The fact check verdict is pretty vague, but I’ll give you that and the mural one with slight reservations.

But letters from a bunch of economists don’t impress me much. History tells us that state control leads to wastefulness and inefficiencies. This is particularly true in periods when the unions have been allowed to act with impunity.


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« Reply #22338 on: December 03, 2019, 09:49:09 AM »

This Tory social/digital media team really are a bunch of shithouses aren't they?! Never Trust A Tory!


The majority of politicians are shithouses, never trust any of them would be a more accurate mantra IMO.


For all his shortcomings, this isn’t a criticism that can be fairly levelled at Corbyn. What is it that you don’t trust about Corbyn?

I lost trust for him when he fabricated the 'no seats available on Virgin trains' story. If he's prepared to lie transparently about an insignificant issue such as that, what won't he lie about?

You will have read about ‘traingate’ in the right wing media, the reality is almost always very different, there’s cctv footage.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/amp/


I stand corrected. I only read The Times, and nothing online other than what I click links for - as I did with your link.

I am not sure it is the whole truth.  Given it isn't the whole footage either, then it isn't really proof one way or the other.  I travel into and out of London pretty frequently both at weekends and in the rush hour.  I don't think I'd ever try and get my family group on a train out of London at the last minute and expect to get a bunch of seats together, even at the weekend.  We very much stand in front of the boards at kings cross waiting for the train to arrive and get to the platform when it arrives in the station.  Looking at the time stamps, Corbyn and his team have clearly got there not long before the train left. 

I would add that I have been on plenty of overcrowded trains out of London, including plenty where passengers were forced to stand (nearly every rush hour train?), and plenty where people were stood or sat on the floor when seats were available.  Observing people sitting on the floor really isn't proof there are no seats on the train.  I was surprised they picked this train as I have seen loads of trains much more packed than this one was.

I would just add that the "independent" filmakers time line was full of Momentum stuff at the time, so he isn't really any more independent than Branson.  I think the original Corbyn video illustrates the reality of many train journeys, just not convinced it was the reality of this one.   I think there were likely to be some individual seats,  but none grouped together.

Finally, who would want a bunch of people running the railways who think optimum seat strat is to pay full whack and rock up at the last minute and not reserve the cheap seats in advance?  Though some people may think that their intention was never to find seats

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« Reply #22339 on: December 03, 2019, 11:21:34 AM »

this is a very interesting 7 minute watch, a focus group in a Labour Midlands seat.

https://www.channel4.com/news/focus-group-can-tories-win-over-people-who-voted-labour-and-leave

One thing that struck me, people think Con win majority, Brexit gets done, sunny uplands....its going to be a rocky year to get a trade deal in time otherwise its no deal end 2020..not mentioned/understood(?)
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« Reply #22340 on: December 03, 2019, 11:51:05 AM »

this is a very interesting 7 minute watch, a focus group in a Labour Midlands seat.

https://www.channel4.com/news/focus-group-can-tories-win-over-people-who-voted-labour-and-leave

One thing that struck me, people think Con win majority, Brexit gets done, sunny uplands....its going to be a rocky year to get a trade deal in time otherwise its no deal end 2020..not mentioned/understood(?)


6 months on......" trade talks with US ongoing, Boris has an affair"  Cheesy

All 8 of them voted Corbyn/Labour last time.....none this time. The main reason : Corbyn. They don't complete trust Boris but in a straight choice, it seems to only one winner for them.

 As Tighty says the problematic trade talk deadlines/no deal end of 2020 is not on their radar. Of course the Tories need to keep it that way for another 10 days.

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« Reply #22341 on: December 03, 2019, 12:01:41 PM »

Is Boris Johnson heading for another Brexit crisis?

Critics claim his deadline of a trade deal with the EU by December 2020 is impossibly tight


https://www.ft.com/content/9e015820-111d-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

think about that on Dec 13th only, it seems
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« Reply #22342 on: December 03, 2019, 12:10:55 PM »

Is Boris Johnson heading for another Brexit crisis?

Critics claim his deadline of a trade deal with the EU by December 2020 is impossibly tight


https://www.ft.com/content/9e015820-111d-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

think about that on Dec 13th only, it seems

I think it’s clear that if the alternative was leaving without a trade agreement, he will extend the transition period.
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« Reply #22343 on: December 03, 2019, 01:00:06 PM »

Is Boris Johnson heading for another Brexit crisis?

Critics claim his deadline of a trade deal with the EU by December 2020 is impossibly tight


https://www.ft.com/content/9e015820-111d-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

think about that on Dec 13th only, it seems

Did people follow every second of the ttip talks. Once we're 'out' hopefully the media will report on more interesting stuff than trade talks and it can recede into the background and get done sensibly in however long it takes
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« Reply #22344 on: December 03, 2019, 01:40:36 PM »

Is Boris Johnson heading for another Brexit crisis?

Critics claim his deadline of a trade deal with the EU by December 2020 is impossibly tight


https://www.ft.com/content/9e015820-111d-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

think about that on Dec 13th only, it seems

Did people follow every second of the ttip talks. Once we're 'out' hopefully the media will report on more interesting stuff than trade talks and it can recede into the background and get done sensibly in however long it takes

That's clearly not going to happen though. We have a Dec 2020 cliff edge. As much as Boris wants Brexit Done (TM) it's not going anywhere any time soon.
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« Reply #22345 on: December 03, 2019, 01:45:44 PM »

Is Boris Johnson heading for another Brexit crisis?

Critics claim his deadline of a trade deal with the EU by December 2020 is impossibly tight


https://www.ft.com/content/9e015820-111d-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

think about that on Dec 13th only, it seems

I think it’s clear that if the alternative was leaving without a trade agreement, he will extend the transition period.

which, of course, he's said he won't do.

not that his word counts for a single thing, but it is a thing he's said.
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« Reply #22346 on: December 03, 2019, 06:36:45 PM »

London, Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 47% (+8)
CON: 30% (+1)
LDEM: 15% (-4)
GRN: 4% (-1)
BREX: 3% (-3)
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« Reply #22347 on: December 03, 2019, 08:20:35 PM »

Anyone want to try this,?

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/about

I am 57% Green and 43% Lib Dem.
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« Reply #22348 on: December 03, 2019, 08:29:11 PM »

George Galloway has so many faults but he is quite outstanding in terms of eloquence, clarity of purpose, robustness in the face of nonsense.


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« Reply #22349 on: December 04, 2019, 09:51:56 AM »

Anyone want to try this,?

https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/about

I am 57% Green and 43% Lib Dem.

42.9 Conservative
28.6 Brexit
14.3 Green
14.3 Labour

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