"The Online games are not fair anymore"

[collster]

Jeeez..."all my trades on betfair" give it a rest mate....

[arbboy]

Jeeez..."all my trades on betfair" give it a rest mate....

fixed my post sorry you took offense.

I put it out there months ago when i started a debate that all THE trades on betfair are anonymous (players have no idea who they are playing against every time they have a bet - it could be Tony Bloom or pissed up Dave down the pub)

Is that less offensive?  Had a tough day at work?  Need to let off some steam?  Me too.  

What is your suggestion for improving the games? 

[Doobs]

Think you've misunderstood what I'm getting at - is there anything the regs can do to encourage the recs to play?

I think chatting to everyone at the table and not abusing the fish would be a good start.  Don't make every pot a 3 or 4 bet pre flop.  

I started playing a lot of o8 STTs a year or so ago.  There were a couple of people with potty mouths but people chatted etc.  I thought that is a refreshing change.  A year on, the abuse of fish has got ridiculous.  Players play too many table so stalling is a real issue.  The biggest player has a little bloke saying FU as an avatar.  One of the others regs has something equally abusive as an avatar.  People still can't stop themselves referring to sharkscope, others bad stats etc.

I play there regularly and still get a bunch of people giving me the wtfs, starred out abuse and calling me a fish and a whale.  

Just beggars belief how far people are removed from how they should behave if they want to keep making money.  

I got sick of one person's abuse to the tables that I eventually reported him.  Stars banned his chat, a day later he was bragging on 2+2 how he had got it overturned.  It really should be once then a months chat ban, 2nd time two months, 3rd time complete ban and not just chat.

Would ban the software.  I remember reading how note caddy was going to go, but even that still seems ok.  I would get rid of supernova up, and I say that as somebody who was getting the benefits until a couple of months ago.

[Marky147]

Microgaming had anonymous tables years back.

[arbboy]

Microgaming had anonymous tables years back.

Yes they are not a new concept at all.   Onny used to play them on Lolbrokes way back in the day i think.

[George2Loose]

Stop calling them fish donks and whales for a start. The language itself is demeaning. Do u think pro sportsman use this language. Federer "played this absolute whale in the first round- couldn't even play a slice backhand" laughs with all the other pros.

[collster]

I am your typical rec player....work 40 hours a week and play at nights to unwind/relax. I can accept players being better than me and working harder than me in becoming better. What I'm totally against is the idea someone gains an advantage by being more tech savvy than me and gaining an advantage purely because they have software that enables this advantage. This is poker. A game of minds. To me it is anyway. If it's about having the latest software to process information to gain an edge then I have no interest. I've started going to the casino to play instead to get what I perceive as a fair game....I'll be going again tonight. It's far more enjoyable to me and I'm safe in the knowledge that it's purely a mind game without technology aiding opponents.

There's something quite satisfying about the thought of HUD using pros suffocating the rec money in online poker so they only have each other to squeeze money out of.

[Rexas]

Stop calling them fish donks and whales for a start. The language itself is demeaning. Do u think pro sportsman use this language. Federer "played this absolute whale in the first round- couldn't even play a slice backhand" laughs with all the other pros.

Been a long time since I've said anything like that to a player who wasn't a friend :p and honestly, aren't most of the chatbox warriors losers as opposed to pro grinders?

[collster]

Re arrboy....I was only messing. Just on the wind up. Please don't take it how it wasn't intended.

What would I do? If possible I'd remove all HUDs, seating scripts etc..basically all software that aids players. I want to sit down in front of my screen and it be as if I was sitting at the casino. Mind v minds is what I play for. If I'm worse than the other players in that situation I can accept it but not when I'm up against mind+tech advantages.

[Rexas]

Look, I totally agree that seating scripts are dreadful but HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't, and most don't even know what difference the stats make anyway. Either way HUDs will not be getting banned any time soon so we need to look elsewhere for answers.

[Marky147]

Microgaming had anonymous tables years back.

Yes they are not a new concept at all.   Onny used to play them on Lolbrokes way back in the day i think.

Don't ever remember the old laddies having them, but we used to prop them when they first came about ~2010 iirc.

[POWWWWWWWW]

Look, I totally agree that seating scripts are dreadful but HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't, and most don't even know what difference the stats make anyway. Either way HUDs will not be getting banned any time soon so we need to look elsewhere for answers.

What?

[Rexas]

Look, I totally agree that seating scripts are dreadful but HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't, and most don't even know what difference the stats make anyway. Either way HUDs will not be getting banned any time soon so we need to look elsewhere for answers.

What?

What possible advantage can a HUD have over someone who by definition doesn't play very much? You need loads and loads of hands on people before stats converge into anything meaningful, and we're just not going to get that on a rec. The basic stuff like vpip and pfr isn't something you need a hud to have a rough idea of :p

[EvilPie]

hey matt, what do you play? mtts or cash? or what did you play?

Online I used to play quite a lot of mtts in the $11 to $109 range with the million and warm up thrown in occasionally. Played the $55 and $22 1r1a most evenings with the latter always being my favourite comp.

I never played a lot of holdem cash but played a chunk of PLO for a fair few years on ipoker.

Live I used to love mtts and was a regular at DTD which is about 5 minutes away from my house. Played a few weekday comps and everything I could get to at the weekends.

Again never much of a holdem cash fan but loved plo and dealers choice. All about the gamble innit

Poker for me has always been about the gamble!! I used to have a severe gambling problem and poker fixed it by allowing me to get that same buzz whilst being able to justify it (rightly or wrongly) as actually being +EV. Such a beautiful game when played in the right company with a few friendly drunken gamblers at the table. Such a shit game when you're sat there with a bunch of mood hoovers who only care about their hourly win rate.

[EvilPie]

Look, I totally agree that seating scripts are dreadful but HUDs giving regs an advantage over recs is a misconception, they just don't, and most don't even know what difference the stats make anyway. Either way HUDs will not be getting banned any time soon so we need to look elsewhere for answers.

What?

What possible advantage can a HUD have over someone who by definition doesn't play very much? You need loads and loads of hands on people before stats converge into anything meaningful, and we're just not going to get that on a rec. The basic stuff like vpip and pfr isn't something you need a hud to have a rough idea of :p

Of course they give an advantage or people wouldn't pay money for them.

The first time I used a HUD I was amazed at what a powerful tool it was. I set the thing up and then started a session with about 10 mtts or so running along happily.

Fast forward 2 or 3 hours and I'm a little bit short on one of the tables with about 15 bigs. Some fella who I had no idea who he was had just raised and I had one of those maybe or maybe not 3 bet shove hands. So what do I do? I have a look at my shiny new HUD of course. Oh wow!! This guy has raised 60% of his last 50 hands that I've not been watching.... His range must be really wide...... let's get it in..... Oh look he's folded. Thank you Mr HUD you are the best thing ever!!!

To claim they don't give an advantage is laughable. I'll accept anything with a bit of evidence behind it but just saying it ain't gonna make it so.