"The Online games are not fair anymore"

[lucky_scrote]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

[bobAlike]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

[Rexas]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

[lucky_scrote]

Of course I want you to play, I'd like everyone to play.

I can't help that the game has evolved in a way that is pushing a select few out of the games. There are tons and tons of recs always signing up to play poker online and the new recs just see huds as part of the game.

[bobAlike]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

Give me the impression that I've got a fighting chance to win.

[lucky_scrote]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

Give me the impression that I've got a fighting chance to win.

If you understand the game enough that there is a lot of skill involved and that you know you need to put a lot of effort in and you aren't prepared to do so, then I can't do that.

[TightEnd]

There are tons and tons of recs always signing up to play poker online and the new recs just see huds as part of the game.

are there Dan? not the understanding i have. the amount of money funnelling into the system from new entrants has dried up, has it not?

[AndrewT]

There are tons and tons of recs always signing up to play poker online and the new recs just see huds as part of the game.

Doubly wrong - the 'tons and tons of recs' aren't happening any more and those that do are mostly oblivious to huds.

[bobAlike]

Of course I want you to play, I'd like everyone to play.

I can't help that the game has evolved in a way that is pushing a select few out of the games. There are tons and tons of recs always signing up to play poker online and the new recs just see huds as part of the game.

I don't have anything to back this up but I would be really surprised if the retention rate of new sign ups is anything to shout about. You need recs to stick at it long term.

I am not party to the numbers on how many people are signing up to poker sites but I do hear players moaning about the liquidity in the game is diminishing and how much harder it is to earn the kind of money of just a few years ago.

Encourage recs like me to play by giving me the impression of a level playing field and you'll make money and we wont cry about losing.

[bobAlike]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

Give me the impression that I've got a fighting chance to win.

If you understand the game enough that there is a lot of skill involved and that you know you need to put a lot of effort in and you aren't prepared to do so, then I can't do that.

I feel I have the skill to get lucky against you but I also feel that in the current age of trackers and huds and tools luck isn't enough.

[MANTIS01]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

Give me the impression that I've got a fighting chance to win.

If you understand the game enough that there is a lot of skill involved and that you know you need to put a lot of effort in and you aren't prepared to do so, then I can't do that.

You play golf right? Why bother with the handicap system? There is a lot of skill involved in golf and you need to put a lot of effort in!! If you don't work as hard as the pros why should you get free shots when you play them??

[RED-DOG]

People continue to get better, recs continue to blame things other than themselves.

Nothing changes really.

I think you're missing the point. Recs are just stating that they want to enjoy the game as recs and not want to put the same amount of effort as a pro, ergo recs do blame themselves but aren't willing to do anything about it.

So as a rec myself, who just wants to play win or lose and who doesn't want to start studying the game and all the tools that a pro would do, I wont play online.

My question to you is - Do you want more people like me to play online?

Yes, but how do we fix that?

Give me the impression that I've got a fighting chance to win.

If you understand the game enough that there is a lot of skill involved and that you know you need to put a lot of effort in and you aren't prepared to do so, then I can't do that.

You play golf right? Why bother with the handicap system? There is a lot of skill involved in golf and you need to put a lot of effort in!! If you don't work as hard as the pros why should you get free shots when you play them??

Just when I think you deserve the finger you write something good.

[lucky_scrote]

I disagree with you Mantis. With golf, it is very very clear who is better and who is not. In poker, not so.

In golf and just like poker, you can choose which games to play. In golf there is hardly an incentive for me to invest thousands in to becoming professional because the gap is just so so large.

In poker, the gap is pretty marginal. It's extremely marginal if you think that if I gave my girlfriend a mouse and a computer that she could beat Luke Fields in a HU reg speed NLHE sng 20% of the time by just going allin.

I don't seem me beating Mcllroy any time soon.

[Rexas]

Is there actually anything we as individuals can do about this?

[lucky_scrote]

Is there actually anything we as individuals can do about this?

Move down limits
Play sites with softer opponents
Play live

Most people playing mid stakes online definitely don't know how to use a hud, including a lot of the regs. I'm talking of course mtt's. I can't talk for the cash world.