Syria, Migrants and Online Comments

[leethefish]

Please don't get me wrong ....
I do actually think we should help as much as we can!

My point being there is approximately 110000 people homeless in the UK of which 9000 are ex service personnel

[StuartHopkin]

@ Tom ...
 I did not say that we shouldn't I merely asked should we feed and house them !!

@ tikay
I've no doubt we will cope

@ boshi
Are armed forces fight for fundamental human rights....yes

@ everyone.......

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR EX SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN ARE HOMLESS AND HUNGRY RIGHT NOW

Yes we should help refugees and no we shouldn't let them starve .....but shouldn't we be helping our own first

I think that is a separate issue.

Equally disgraceful that it is not being addressed but I don't see it as one first then the other.

They should be parallel.

On a side I don't know how many there are? I would guess around 2500 in the UK?

[TightEnd]

we've taken in 216 Syrian refugees. saw a link last night that i will try to find

took in 25,000 ugandan asians in the 70s

75,000 Jews in the 30s

[Longines]

Pretty damning

Click to see full-size image.

[tikay]

Please don't get me wrong ....
I do actually think we should help as much as we can!

My point being there is approximately 110000 people homeless in the UK of which 9000 are ex service personnel

110,000 homeless, including 9,000 ex-Servicemen who deserve better, now add in, say, another 100,000 Syrians.

That's a big, big, problem. Or 210,000 little problems. Far easier to solve a lot of little problems. 

[TightEnd]

Britain receives fewer asylum seekers in a year than Germany does in a month, as polls in two countries show contrasting attitudes towards immigration

http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2015/aug/27/germany-gets-27-syrian-asylum-applications-for-every-one-to-the-uk

[tikay]

Soon, it will be winter in Europe, cold nights, hard frosts. If we think it's bad now, imagine it in the depth of winter.

[mulhuzz]

I really must find the time to translate that video embedded in Guardian article (or find a subtitled version online) because it is very powerful. Maybe at lunch.

[leethefish]

@ Tom ...
 I did not say that we shouldn't I merely asked should we feed and house them !!

@ tikay
I've no doubt we will cope

@ boshi
Are armed forces fight for fundamental human rights....yes

@ everyone.......

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR EX SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN ARE HOMLESS AND HUNGRY RIGHT NOW

Yes we should help refugees and no we shouldn't let them starve .....but shouldn't we be helping our own first

I think that is a separate issue.

Equally disgraceful that it is not being addressed but I don't see it as one first then the other.

They should be parallel.

On a side I don't know how many there are? I would guess around 2500 in the UK?

Almost 4 times that in ex service personnel alone stu !

[kinboshi]

@ Tom ...
 I did not say that we shouldn't I merely asked should we feed and house them !!

@ tikay
I've no doubt we will cope

@ boshi
Are armed forces fight for fundamental human rights....yes

@ everyone.......

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR EX SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN ARE HOMLESS AND HUNGRY RIGHT NOW

Yes we should help refugees and no we shouldn't let them starve .....but shouldn't we be helping our own first

I think that is a separate issue.

Equally disgraceful that it is not being addressed but I don't see it as one first then the other.

They should be parallel.

On a side I don't know how many there are? I would guess around 2500 in the UK?

Almost 4 times that in ex service personnel alone stu !

Lee, why does it have to be one or the other?  I see some very hateful and vile propaganda from some sources that try to play this card that we can't help one group because another is also in need. 

Can you show me one iota of evidence that suggests helping a refugee diverts a single penny from helping ex-service personnel? 

On a tangent, did you sign this petition https://www.change.org/p/foreign-secretary-william-hague-protect-all-afghan-interpreters-who-served-alongside-british-troops-and-give-them-opportunity-to-resettle - or should it only be UK-born personnel who deserve help as a priority?  If you think this petition is right, then think about each individual who has been forced from their home in Syria into the threat of starvation and a very uncertain future. Each of them will have a story, each will have a life. Just because they weren't born on an island off the north-west coast of mainland Europe doesn't mean they are less deserving of help.  Don't you think their plight is desperate and needs action immediately?

[TightEnd]

thought this was very good

by far the best of the leadership candidates, in my not very important opinion


" Why everyone should read Yvette Cooper's powerful speech on the refugee crisis http://i100.io/yxAsP0N  "

[Nakor]

Please don't get me wrong ....
I do actually think we should help as much as we can!

My point being there is approximately 110000 people homeless in the UK of which 9000 are ex service personnel

Lee - Where do these figures come from?  Genuinely interested in the definition of "Homeless" used.

[leethefish]

Please don't get me wrong ....
I do actually think we should help as much as we can!

My point being there is approximately 110000 people homeless in the UK of which 9000 are ex service personnel

Lee - Where do these figures come from?  Genuinely interested in the definition of "Homeless" used.

http://www.crisis.org.uk/pages/homeless-def-numbers.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/9000-ex-service-personnel-homeless-after-2071049

[leethefish]

@ Tom ...
 I did not say that we shouldn't I merely asked should we feed and house them !!

@ tikay
I've no doubt we will cope

@ boshi
Are armed forces fight for fundamental human rights....yes

@ everyone.......

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF OUR EX SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN ARE HOMLESS AND HUNGRY RIGHT NOW

Yes we should help refugees and no we shouldn't let them starve .....but shouldn't we be helping our own first

I think that is a separate issue.

Equally disgraceful that it is not being addressed but I don't see it as one first then the other.

They should be parallel.

On a side I don't know how many there are? I would guess around 2500 in the UK?

Almost 4 times that in ex service personnel alone stu !

Lee, why does it have to be one or the other?  I see some very hateful and vile propaganda from some sources that try to play this card that we can't help one group because another is also in need. 

Can you show me one iota of evidence that suggests helping a refugee diverts a single penny from helping ex-service personnel? 

On a tangent, did you sign this petition https://www.change.org/p/foreign-secretary-william-hague-protect-all-afghan-interpreters-who-served-alongside-british-troops-and-give-them-opportunity-to-resettle - or should it only be UK-born personnel who deserve help as a priority?  If you think this petition is right, then think about each individual who has been forced from their home in Syria into the threat of starvation and a very uncertain future. Each of them will have a story, each will have a life. Just because they weren't born on an island off the north-west coast of mainland Europe doesn't mean they are less deserving of help.  Don't you think their plight is desperate and needs action immediately?

Boshi please don't associate my view with those vile propaganda as you call it !

My personal view is we should first look after the people who have put their lives on the line to protect this country and the people within it
I am not saying it's one or the other !

[TightEnd]

the 216 figure i quoted earlier was wrong

its being widely quoted today

the actual figure is 2,204