Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread

[Karabiner]

I love Aguero as a player and almost always have him in my FF team but surely contesting this charge is futile.

He clearly had a sly glance behind before throwing the elbow which was undeniably intentional however hard it landed.

I honestly feel that trivial appeals such as this deserve extra games added on to the 3-game ban.

[hhyftrftdr]

I love Aguero as a player and almost always have him in my FF team but surely contesting this charge is futile.

He clearly had a sly glance behind before throwing the elbow which was undeniably intentional however hard it landed.

I honestly feel that trivial appeals such as this deserve extra games added on to the 3-game ban.

Thought that was the rule anyway? I'm sure players previously have had a game added on if the FA have deemed it ''frivolous''.

Behind the club 100% in this. I still think he'll get banned but this whole episode makes the FA and the ref involved a laughing stock.

[77dave]

i thought that they werent appealing whether or not he elbowed him or not but that the ref had seen the incident and therefore no further action should be taken.

[Archer]

Former Premier League ref Mark Halsey has claimed he was told by the refereeing body to say he had not seen incidents in matches.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-premier-league-referee-mark-8760242

 

[hhyftrftdr]

Former Premier League ref Mark Halsey has claimed he was told by the refereeing body to say he had not seen incidents in matches.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-premier-league-referee-mark-8760242

 

It's all above board though, nothing shady ever happens with the FA.

Mariner is either incompetent (being so close with a perfect view and not seeing it) or a liar (saw it, media pressure to say he didn't see it and caves in); which one is it, Andre?

[George2Loose]

Why u blaming the ref when your players clearly taken a swing? He knows the rules as well as anyone.

[Karabiner]

Here's an interesting article on referees' decisions:

http://www.football365.com/news/bum-notes-are-part-of-live-referee-experience

[Archer]

Here's an interesting article on referees' decisions:

http://www.football365.com/news/bum-notes-are-part-of-live-referee-experience

Nice link  - good read and well written.

Ralph, do  you read http://untold-arsenal.com/ ?  Your general Arsenal views tend to be reflected on there unlike, say, Adz.

As specifically regards referees (you might have already seen this) they are obsessive in the extreme but endeavour to mask it behind a wall of objectivity. For example:

5:-List of Major Errors on Match Day #03 (with links to video clips)

1. No Second Yellow Card Against Amrabat – Amrabat committed 6 fouls, including one attack breaking foul and one potentially reckless foul. But he was only booked once. [Ref – Kevin Friend], Amrabat 4th foul no yellow card, Amrabat 5th foul no yellow card , No Second Yellow Card Against Amrabat

2. No Red Card Against Behrami – Behrami made full frontal lunging tackle on Walcott, with clear studs making contact. [Ref – Kevin Friend] Behrami No Red Card

3. No Red Card Against Lamela – Lamela clearly poke his fingers in the eyes of Lovren. Clear violent conduct. [Ref – Robert Madley] Spurs vs Liverpool Lamela Eye Gouge Lovren , Spurs vs Liverpool Lamela Eye Gouge Lovren

4. Wrong Penalty Against Spurs – Firmino was fouled outside the penalty box not inside. [Ref – Robert Madley],

5. Wrong Goal Against Spurs – Due to the wrong penalty given the goal scored by Liverpool was illegal. [Ref – Robert Madley], Spurs vs Liverpool Lamela Firmino Wrong Penalty

6. No Second Yellow Card Against Mane – Mane committed two reckless tackles but was only booked for one. [Ref – Robert Madley], Spurs vs Liverpool Mane Poor Tackle , Spurs vs Liverpool Mane Poor Tackle No Second Yellow , Spurs vs Liverpool Mane Poor Tackle No Second Yellow002

7. No Second Yellow Card Against Delaney – Delaney committed one reckless tackle and one attack breaking foul, but was only booked for one. [Ref – Mike Dean], Palace vs Bournemouth Delaney No Yellow Card , Palace vs Bournemouth Delaney Poor Tackle No Second Yellow Card

8. No Red Card Against Pieters – Clearly went in with foot above the ball, with studs showing. Serious foul play. [Ref – Michael Oliver], Everton vs Stoke Pieters Yellow Red

9. No Penalty For Leicester – Amat and Fernandez were clearly holding Huth inside the penalty box. [Ref – Roger East], Leicester vs Swansea Fernandez Amat Huth Penalty , Leicester vs Swansea Fernandez Amat Huth Penalty002

10. Wrong Goal Against Swansea – Huth pushed Fer and handled the ball inside the box which contributed as the assist of the goal. [Ref – Roger East], Leicester vs Swansea Morgan Goal , Leicester vs Swansea Morgan Goal002

11. No Red Card Against Aguero – Aguero clearly attempted hit Reid with a swinging elbow in the face. Clear violent conduct. [Ref – Andre Marriner], Man City vs West Ham Aguero Red Card , Man City vs West Ham Aguero Red Card002

12. No Second Yellow Card Against Fellaini – Fellaini had committed an attack breaking and was booked. Moments later he rushed towards the referee and showed clear dissent. Only one yellow card was shown. [Ref – Jon Moss], Hull vs Man Utd Fellaini Attack Breaking Foul , Hull vs Man Utd Fellaini Dissent

13. No Penalty For Man Utd – Meyler clearly moved his arm towards the ball from a long distance and hits it. [Ref – Jon Moss], Hull vs Man Utd Meyler Penalty , Hull vs Man Utd Meyler Penalty0003

14. No Red Card Against Pogba – Pogba knew that Meyler was positioned alongside him and raised his foot way above the head of Meyler and made contact on Meyler’s head. Serious injury inducing foul play [Ref – Jon Moss], Hull vs Man Utd Pogba Yellow Red

The total number of wrong Important Decisions this week was 14 (an improvement on the 19 in Matchweek 2), still too high and again proving the case for video review.  The most in one game was 4.

That is some charge sheet

Attwood talks lots of tosh about many things IMO  but he does make interesting observations about PGMO in a series of blogs:

http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/53274

[Archer]

Why u blaming the ref when your players clearly taken a swing? He knows the rules as well as anyone.

As I've already said in the thread, I would have had no problem if Aguero had been sent off. I do have a problem with the process and Marriner is part of that.

[hhyftrftdr]

Why u blaming the ref when your players clearly taken a swing? He knows the rules as well as anyone.

As I've already said in the thread, I would have had no problem if Aguero had been sent off. I do have a problem with the process and Marriner is part of that.

This, and I think we've both made it pretty clear.

[hhyftrftdr]

You called it in, Archer.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10566329/manchester-derby-to-be-refereed-by-mark-clattenburg

We're fucked, he's useless and we're absolutely fucked

[Marky147]

[Karabiner]

Thanks for that link Archer which is now bookmarked.

[Archer]

You called it in, Archer.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10566329/manchester-derby-to-be-refereed-by-mark-clattenburg

We're fucked, he's useless and we're absolutely fucked

Keep the faith hhy it's going to be ok 

Nothing to worry about in the slightest with Clattenburg. All those stories on Bluemoon are just conspiracy theories made up by paranoid City fans. Laughable if you ask me - I think he is the best ref in the world  when he wants to be. I know it is 5 years since we last won a Big 6 game reffed by Mark and his team but that is just refereeing variance or randomness. Nothing more.

And it is not that those games have in anyway involved a controversial decision. No sir - no game changing decisions whatsover. For example, giving a penalty for back ball if he thought it was a hand is perfectly reasonable IMO and had no influence on the result.

Remember also that nothing really comes from the many accusations thrown at him - threatening e-mails, corporate financial irregularities, racism, lizard impersonation etc etc - and I don't hold it against him that he is the only ref with an agent.

Here is the mini-table for games played between Big6 teams when reffed by Mark in the last 5 years:

[hhyftrftdr]

I like how people jump to point out he reffed the 1-6 at O/T to try and suggest he isn't a bent fucker; yeah he was shit in that game too! Missed a couple of penalties for us, you could almost see the tears in his eyes when he had to send their defender off.

It literally could've been 10 had we had a competent, non-bent official that day.