Noisy Neighbours - the Man City thread

[hhyftrftdr]

I reckon that Archer and hrpuffenstuff are simply trying to lure arbs back with an irresistable carrot.

Made me smile

I missed the banning incident but he is a big miss for me on here...

+1, enjoy locking horns with him and also quite enjoy his brash, sometimes abrasive posts. And his Stella posts, obv.

Come back Arb, I'll even agree that Hart is a jobber if you return

[Marky147]

I reckon that Archer and hrpuffenstuff are simply trying to lure arbs back with an irresistable carrot.

Made me smile

I missed the banning incident but he is a big miss for me on here...

+1, enjoy locking horns with him and also quite enjoy his brash, sometimes abrasive posts. And his Stella posts, obv.

Come back Arb, I'll even agree that Hart is a jobber if you return

I thought that would have been his returning post

[Archer]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/mark-clattenburg-controversial-moments-in-the-referees-career-9042302.html

I'm not sad enough (just) to go scrolling though the last 3 years of Clattenburg stuff, but the link above was posted on BM. Obv 2.5 years old now so could add dozens of incidents to it. Surprising/interesting to see he didn't ref an Everton game for 5 years after that dodgy Hibbert red card.

Pretty lol that he's considered our best referee when the amount of big calls he gets wrong in key games is huge, and over a decent sample size.

I'm actually interested in other fans views, without resorting to a lazy ''you're all paranoid'' retort. No-one else question the integrity of certain refs/FA/UEFA/FIFA ever?

I'm sure we can all agree that Fifa is dodgy, and that is the governing body for football....

Well, I have been sad enough to dig about Clattenburg in the past.  I was involved in quite a big way in  a "research project"  between 2009 and 2012 and party to lot's of stuff concerning the great man (and corruption/ethics  generally in the PL - not Clattenburg specific). There is so much interesting stuff out there if you look hard enough that make you seriously question the integrity of different aspects  of the game and how it is run and I'm not just talking about all the revelations in recent times involving governing bodies.

Meanwhile I will enjoy being one half of the Archer & hyhdhhyrola paranoid tag team....

[POWWWWWWWW]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/mark-clattenburg-controversial-moments-in-the-referees-career-9042302.html

The FA needs to look into Mark Halsey's shocking revelation…and temporarily lift the ban on Sergio Aguero.

That is not a sly attempt to earn a derby reprieve for Manchester City's leading goalscorer, as Manchester United fans are bound to claim.If they are to retain any credibility at all, the FA does not only have to prompt an immediate, independent investigation, it also needs to put the suspension of Aguero on hold.

That would have the happy outcome, from Manchester City's point of view, of freeing up their leading goalscorer for Saturday's Manchester derby

[Archer]

As a neutral observer it would seem that you guys are not overly confident about Saturday's game.

I'm not sure why tbh.

I was looking at the match odds last saturday and City to win were 3.4 in lots of places and I got some on at 3.6 on the exchange where bits have traded as high as 3.7.  I bet either way when the price is right on City (often I lay when I think they are too short) and I thought this might even be a value bet for TfT because I couldn't understand why it was so big and I was feeling cautiously optimistic about the outcome (Pep>Jose for me).  City have only been higher than 3.00 on 3  occasions since the 6-1 derby 5 years ago:

3.3 United away late in the 12/13 season when Utd went on to be champions
3.2 Chelsea away earlyish  in 13/14 season when Mourinho had just returned to Chelsea
3.6 Chelsea away in 14/15 when Chelsea were top of the league, flying and with a 100% home record before going on to be champions.

The price has dropped now to mainly 3.25/3.3.

But then Clattenburg was appointed ref (as expected) and my optimism levels dropped and all normal footballing rationale goes out of the window....

[Karabiner]

As a neutral observer it would seem that you guys are not overly confident about Saturday's game.

I'm not sure why tbh.

I was looking at the match odds last saturday and City to win were 3.4 in lots of places and I got some on at 3.6 on the exchange where bits have traded as high as 3.7.  I bet either way when the price is right on City (often I lay when I think they are too short) and I thought this might even be a value bet for TfT because I couldn't understand why it was so big and I was feeling cautiously optimistic about the outcome (Pep>Jose for me).  City have only been higher than 3.00 on 3  occasions since the 6-1 derby 5 years ago:

3.3 United away late in the 12/13 season when Utd went on to be champions
3.2 Chelsea away earlyish  in 13/14 season when Mourinho had just returned to Chelsea
3.6 Chelsea away in 14/15 when Chelsea were top of the league, flying and with a 100% home record before going on to be champions.

The price has dropped now to mainly 3.25/3.3.

But then Clattenburg was appointed ref (as expected) and my optimism levels dropped and all normal footballing rationale goes out of the window....

Did the price go up when the referee was announced?

[Archer]

As a neutral observer it would seem that you guys are not overly confident about Saturday's game.

I'm not sure why tbh.

I was looking at the match odds last saturday and City to win were 3.4 in lots of places and I got some on at 3.6 on the exchange where bits have traded as high as 3.7.  I bet either way when the price is right on City (often I lay when I think they are too short) and I thought this might even be a value bet for TfT because I couldn't understand why it was so big and I was feeling cautiously optimistic about the outcome (Pep>Jose for me).  City have only been higher than 3.00 on 3  occasions since the 6-1 derby 5 years ago:

3.3 United away late in the 12/13 season when Utd went on to be champions
3.2 Chelsea away earlyish  in 13/14 season when Mourinho had just returned to Chelsea
3.6 Chelsea away in 14/15 when Chelsea were top of the league, flying and with a 100% home record before going on to be champions.

The price has dropped now to mainly 3.25/3.3.

But then Clattenburg was appointed ref (as expected) and my optimism levels dropped and all normal footballing rationale goes out of the window....

Did the price go up when the referee was announced?

No - down

[TightEnd]

The £600m Manchester derby will be the most expensive game of football ever played http://dailym.ai/2cvN5Bj

Click to see full-size image.

[hhyftrftdr]

Meh, no-one cares about that, Tighty. People come here for paranoia and conspiracy theories, gotta pander to the masses. Which ironically, is what Sky have been doing for years.

http://www.mcfcwatch.com/2016/09/08/youre-worse-than-clattenburg-the-recent-history-of-mark-clattenburg-vs-manchester-city

[Archer]

Gill and Rummenigge at it again. Liverpool will like this as well.


http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/city-lose-out-to-united-in-euro-revamp-6qvkbc5nl

Manchester City face the prospect of being hit financially by controversial new changes to the Champions League, which will instead benefit city rivals Manchester United.

City were the biggest earners of any club in the Champions League last season, collecting about €75 million (now about £63 million) in TV and performance money. However, under rule changes agreed by Uefa and the European Club Association (ECA), part of the TV money will be distributed according to how many European Cups or Champions League titles each club have won.

It will mean that, from 2018, clubs such as United and Liverpool, presuming they qualify for the tournament, stand to earn several million pounds more in a season than English rivals, such as City, who have never won the Champions League.

Those behind the changes argue that the Champions League brand has been built by the biggest clubs in the game so they deserve the biggest rewards. The changes — which have been agreed in principle although the exact details of how the money would be shared out are still to be finalised — are being fiercely opposed, however, by the European Professional Football Leagues, which is threatening to rip up the agreement that domestic games are not played in the same time slots as Champions League or Europa League matches.

To rub salt in City’s wounds, on the eve of their derby visit to Old Trafford, one of the architects of the changes has been David Gill, the United director who is also deputy chairman of Uefa’s club competitions committee.

The Times has learnt that Uefa wants to see each club being awarded points depending on their European triumphs and when they were won — 15 points if within the past five years, ten points since the start of the Champions League in 1992 and five points for each European Cup before then.

Under that system three-times winners Manchester United would have 25 points and five-times winners Liverpool 30, while Real Madrid, 11-times winners and the holders, would have 90 points. A smaller number of points would be awarded for Europa League/Uefa Cup trophies.

Those points would contribute to a club’s overall Uefa coefficient, which would have a double benefit — first, in terms of seeding, and second, when it comes to the income distribution.

English clubs’ overall income from Europe is also likely to be hit by a further rule change which would see more TV money distributed based on results rather than related to the size of each country’s individual TV deal — the £897 million BT Sport contract for the present three-year cycle is the most lucrative in Europe. That deal was a key reason for City’s windfall last season but Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, the ECA chairman, said that City topping the prize-money list despite losing to Real in the semi-finals was “not fair”.

[hhyftrftdr]

Ah David Gill; sits on the boards of the FA, UEFA and united, but there is absolutely no conflict of interest there whatsoever. Nope.

Just when you think UEFA can't do much worse, they try (and will probably succeed) to introduce the laughable rule above. Just waiting on them to announce a ''if you boo the anthem you have your prize money halved'' legislation. Gill would be hard for months if that was pushed through.

In the words of King Kev, I'd love it, really love it, if City win the title one season then withdraw from the Champions League the following year; a big 'fuck you' directed straight at the suits by having the champions of England pull out.

[Archer]

English scapegoat  hero Raheem Sterling picks up the season's first PL  Player of The Month award:

Click to see full-size image.

[Archer]

Ah David Gill; sits on the boards of the FA, UEFA and united, but there is absolutely no conflict of interest there whatsoever. Nope.

Just when you think UEFA can't do much worse, they try (and will probably succeed) to introduce the laughable rule above. Just waiting on them to announce a ''if you boo the anthem you have your prize money halved'' legislation. Gill would be hard for months if that was pushed through.

In the words of King Kev, I'd love it, really love it, if City win the title one season then withdraw from the Champions League the following year; a big 'fuck you' directed straight at the suits by having the champions of England pull out.

Same old story for Gill. He wanted seedings for the knock-out rounds as far back as 2005:

http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/uefa-dismiss-seeding-proposal-62562

[DungBeetle]

Not sure why Liverpool always seem to have a say in these discussions.  They are about as relevant to the modern day Champions League as Honved, Saint Ettiene and Panathaniakos.

[hhyftrftdr]

Not sure why Liverpool always seem to have a say in these discussions.  They are about as relevant to the modern day Champions League as Honved, Saint Ettiene and Panathaniakos.