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« on: September 20, 2015, 03:06:37 PM » |
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Interesting situation cropped up on the next pitch to the game Jake was playing on this morning.
It was a cup game and the two teams finished level. So they needed a penalty shoot out to see who went through.
After nine penalties, reds were leading 3-2 and blues needed to score their fifth to take it to sudden death.
The kid smacked his penalty aginst the post and it ran into the arms of the keeper.
The keeper immediately started to celebrate and threw the ball down, but the the angle it hit the ground meant it bounced down and up and into the net.
Do you think this is a goal or not?
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BorntoBubble
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2015, 03:11:27 PM » |
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No goal
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Marky147
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2015, 03:12:24 PM » |
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If it has run into his arms, surely hasn't ricocheted into the goal? Game over, and no goal, for me. I know Longines is a ref, but I wouldn't want to be in amongst those parents when it kicked off  |
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2015, 03:12:36 PM » |
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Penalty is finished as soon as ball has no forward momentum. Rule was clarified I think after Brazil France shootout at Mexico 86?
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OverTheBorder
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2015, 03:15:23 PM » |
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I think the ref has discretion on when the process is completed. So in my mind it is a save as after celebrating the process is done in my mind.
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horseplayer
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2015, 03:15:46 PM » |
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No goal
Having been a ref for a few years when I was at college I would not have wanted to be a ref in that scenario
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The Camel
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2015, 03:16:24 PM » |
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If it has run into his arms, surely hasn't ricocheted into the goal? Game over, and no goal, for me. I know Longines is a ref, but I wouldn't want to be in amongst those parents when it kicked off The keeper dived to his left and it hit the post and end up in his arms. It wasn't a well hit pen. Ref said no goal and it meant the home team were out. That's when it all kicked off! |
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ChipRich
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2015, 03:17:25 PM » |
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Quite clearly no goal
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ChipRich
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2015, 03:19:21 PM » |
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Sounds like the type you occasionally come up against who are so used to getting their own way and then it's mainly the parents kicking off. Remember a couple of those!
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The Camel
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 03:20:32 PM » |
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I think the ref has discretion on when the process is completed. So in my mind it is a save as after celebrating the process is done in my mind.
This is what the ref said. It must be said the whole series of actions was so quick - the ball was in the net mere moments after it was in the keepers hands, I can see why there were complaints. Could be argued the keeper didn't have complete control of the ball. Definitely felt sorry for the ref. |
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2015, 03:26:45 PM » |
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I think the ref has discretion on when the process is completed. So in my mind it is a save as after celebrating the process is done in my mind.
This is what the ref said. It must be said the whole series of actions was so quick - the ball was in the net mere moments after it was in the keepers hands, I can see why there were complaints. Could be argued the keeper didn't have complete control of the ball. Definitely felt sorry for the ref. thats what the book says. I couldn't ref kids games, the parent pressure is immense. Correct decision in my opinion. However I am a keeper so might be biased |
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horseplayer
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2015, 03:35:22 PM » |
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A million times easier to ref adult games than kids of any age (bar the youngest)
Easier to deal with a bit of dissent on the pitch than a lot 50 yards away and "pitch wanderers"
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2015, 03:46:49 PM » |
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Penalty is finished as soon as ball has no forward momentum. Rule was clarified I think after Brazil France shootout at Mexico 86?
If its based on forward momentum, that would mean the goal where it comes out after hitting the bar then spins back into the net (facebook thing where keeper is off celebrating) or a pen where it comes off the post and hits the keeper who is off is line, then goes in, is not a goal. I dont disagree this isnt a goal, and its pathetic any parent would teach their child to win in such a way. |
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2015, 04:11:21 PM » |
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Until I was 16 or 17 I was a ref for kids football.
I gave up when I asked a parent/asst manager type to not swear on the sidelines in an u14 game, he called me a ***** so I sent him off - he refused to leave the pitch area so I abandoned the game with his team winning 4-1 about half way through the second half.
He then tried to attack me and had to be restrained by parents of both teams.
As the match was quite local to me and I would never be able to ref that team impartially again I gave uo.
This is clearly not a goal either.
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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2015, 04:13:23 PM » |
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Until I was 16 or 17 I was a ref for kids football.
I gave up when I asked a parent/asst manager type to not swear on the sidelines in an u14 game, he called me a ***** so I sent him off - he refused to leave the pitch area so I abandoned the game with his team winning 4-1 about half way through the second half.
He then tried to attack me and had to be restrained by parents of both teams.
As the match was quite local to me and I would never be able to ref that team impartially again I gave uo.
This is clearly not a goal either.
Very similar ending to me Of the 4 people who took it up the same time happened to 3 of us and all with kids games parents. |
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