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« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2018, 07:19:17 PM »

What's in my rucksack?

A gold Rolex.

Wait! Where is it?

Get the manager right now please mr gorilla.
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« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2018, 08:54:34 PM »

I think that you need to tackle this by a different route and you probably only have one shot write to the Executive Chairman – Graham Pimlott and outline that you were banned because a security guard had seen an old pack of dealer cards in a rucksack that had been borrowed from your flatmate who worked at the casino.

Do not imply that the security chap deliberately opened the rucksack – you can mention that you helped out the manager at the casino when you found out that your friend was allegedly doing wrong and mention this manager by name also ask him to write a covering letter confirming this.

Desist from telling real people who you know that you are banned as you could find your self-blacklisted from other casinos.

Most Chairman of top companies and I have known loads really have nothing to do so when an opportunity arises for them to get involved in something they normally take the bait.

I speak from some experience as I was once banned from nearly all the nightclubs where I lived (down south) – they brought in some Northern bouncers and unfortunately there was a bit of a fracas – I was young then and in the Army – I wrote to the head honcho explaining what had happened – I had not been drinking – called a southern softie and been obnoxious about my hair cut – outcome ban lifted – ended up working for the firm when I was based in Aldershot for a while.

PS – handwrite the letter and send it so its signed for

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« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2018, 11:02:24 PM »

I think that you need to tackle this by a different route and you probably only have one shot write to the Executive Chairman – Graham Pimlott and outline that you were banned because a security guard had seen an old pack of dealer cards in a rucksack that had been borrowed from your flatmate who worked at the casino.

Do not imply that the security chap deliberately opened the rucksack – you can mention that you helped out the manager at the casino when you found out that your friend was allegedly doing wrong and mention this manager by name also ask him to write a covering letter confirming this.

Desist from telling real people who you know that you are banned as you could find your self-blacklisted from other casinos.

Most Chairman of top companies and I have known loads really have nothing to do so when an opportunity arises for them to get involved in something they normally take the bait.

I speak from some experience as I was once banned from nearly all the nightclubs where I lived (down south) – they brought in some Northern bouncers and unfortunately there was a bit of a fracas – I was young then and in the Army – I wrote to the head honcho explaining what had happened – I had not been drinking – called a southern softie and been obnoxious about my hair cut – outcome ban lifted – ended up working for the firm when I was based in Aldershot for a while.

PS – handwrite the letter and send it so its signed for

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Nice idea thank you mikeymike.

I did try to tweet the now ex-MD of Grosvenor Mark Jones.. and he asked me to send him an email which he never replied to (though according to LinkedIn he left Grosvenor a month after this interaction - so any slim chance of help back then is gone). The only problem with this is that my story is already out there in emails to reinstatement@rank.com and Grosvenor Bournemouth. Whether they've read them and paid attention to them or not, wouldn't it harm my appeal if I start telling white lies?
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2018, 11:15:22 PM »

I think that you need to tackle this by a different route and you probably only have one shot write to the Executive Chairman – Graham Pimlott and outline that you were banned because a security guard had seen an old pack of dealer cards in a rucksack that had been borrowed from your flatmate who worked at the casino.

Do not imply that the security chap deliberately opened the rucksack – you can mention that you helped out the manager at the casino when you found out that your friend was allegedly doing wrong and mention this manager by name also ask him to write a covering letter confirming this.

Desist from telling real people who you know that you are banned as you could find your self-blacklisted from other casinos.

Most Chairman of top companies and I have known loads really have nothing to do so when an opportunity arises for them to get involved in something they normally take the bait.

I speak from some experience as I was once banned from nearly all the nightclubs where I lived (down south) – they brought in some Northern bouncers and unfortunately there was a bit of a fracas – I was young then and in the Army – I wrote to the head honcho explaining what had happened – I had not been drinking – called a southern softie and been obnoxious about my hair cut – outcome ban lifted – ended up working for the firm when I was based in Aldershot for a while.

PS – handwrite the letter and send it so its signed for

Good Luck



Nice idea thank you mikeymike.

I did try to tweet the now ex-MD of Grosvenor Mark Jones.. and he asked me to send him an email which he never replied to (though according to LinkedIn he left Grosvenor a month after this interaction - so any slim chance of help back then is gone). The only problem with this is that my story is already out there in emails to reinstatement@rank.com and Grosvenor Bournemouth. Whether they've read them and paid attention to them or not, wouldn't it harm my appeal if I start telling white lies?

I would strongly suggest no lies, white or otherwise.
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« Reply #34 on: January 31, 2018, 12:24:23 AM »

What's in my rucksack?

A gold Rolex.

Wait! Where is it?

Get the manager right now please mr gorilla.

This actually doesn't seem like an unreasonable line, them searching your bag without permission is 100% not ok and could land them in all sorts of shit if you're that way inclined.
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2018, 12:25:53 AM »

Definitely wouldn't start lying to them though, the truth here definitely seems more than good enough to get your ban lifted and if you happen to get caught in a lie your whole case is gone, immediately.
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2018, 12:43:07 AM »

Definitely wouldn't start lying to them though, the truth here definitely seems more than good enough to get your ban lifted and if you happen to get caught in a lie your whole case is gone, immediately.

I agree, I still appreciate the contribution from mikeymike though about appealing to those higher up and providing a name as well - hopefully Tikay or someone else can get a hold of someone with that sort of power that is willing to listen..
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« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2018, 09:53:57 AM »

In all seriousness I think there's some info missing ging

- you choose to leave your wallet & visa in an unattended rucksack? Who does that?
- you say it's to step away if ur stacked. What does/did that achieve? Nothing right?
- you feel the need to wave visa at gorilla to justify why you need to access your property?
- your behaviour is such that gorilla is compelled to search thru a customers bag even though it's so busy?

Your behaviour has been deemed suspicious bro and gorilla doesn't draw those conclusions from a customer getting a visa out a wallet...
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2018, 09:57:37 AM »

Haha. We're so cynical..deffo crossed my mind that he was putting the cards back as they hadn't helped much on the first buy in..chortle. sorry ace, just the way I am. If I say 'no offence' then it's ok I think.
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2018, 11:23:27 AM »

In all seriousness I think there's some info missing ging

- you choose to leave your wallet & visa in an unattended rucksack? Who does that?
- you say it's to step away if ur stacked. What does/did that achieve? Nothing right?
- you feel the need to wave visa at gorilla to justify why you need to access your property?
- your behaviour is such that gorilla is compelled to search thru a customers bag even though it's so busy?

Your behaviour has been deemed suspicious bro and gorilla doesn't draw those conclusions from a customer getting a visa out a wallet...

In all seriousness why would I go to such lengths to fabricate anything I've said so far or knowingly exclude information besides peoples' names.

1. I don't disagree.. While this is not a good idea because of the chance of theft, there wasn't any cash in my wallet, just some ID and a credit/debit card. If someone stole this, it's still easily reportable to my bank if it goes missing or if someone has peeked and noted down my card details.

2. I'm not immune to tilt. I used to get 500 from the cashier, (max buy in 250 I think?) then if I needed to top up my stack to max buy-in I would be able to without leaving the table. Back then I wasn't patient, I would lose a big hand and then try and jump straight back in to the action - my thought process was that if I had to physically get up and off the gaming floor to get more money - this would give me some time to de-tilt and not spew hundreds more off shortly after.

3. It's not like I waved it right in front of his face and said "hey dum-dum, this is bank card, I go gambol now". It was more subtle than that but difficult to put into writing but I'll try. Given it was so busy, I got my debit card out of my bag and just let him see what it was. I wasn't hiding it from view but I wasn't exactly shoving it in his face either.

4. This is the only one I can't answer with any certainty. I still don't know what caused him to search my bag. I hope this was part of their supposed investigation into the incident
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2018, 11:28:52 AM »

I may be totally out of line here, but is there any possibility that they found or were told about a connection between you and the disgraced/cheating/sacked dealer and were suspicious of you or looking for an excuse to ban you?
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« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2018, 11:31:50 AM »

I may be totally out of line here, but is there any possibility that they found or were told about a connection between you and the disgraced/cheating/sacked dealer and were suspicious of you or looking for an excuse to ban you?

No, because when I went forward to the manager in Birmingham he said they would use the info but I wouldn't be mentioned. There were already rumours in the air about said dealer/ already looking to get rid of him but I actually had evidence in writing. I am certain of this much at least.

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« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2018, 11:40:51 AM »

I may be totally out of line here, but is there any possibility that they found or were told about a connection between you and the disgraced/cheating/sacked dealer and were suspicious of you or looking for an excuse to ban you?

No, because when I went forward to the manager in Birmingham he said they would use the info but I wouldn't be mentioned. There were already rumours in the air about said dealer/ already looking to get rid of him but I actually had evidence in writing. I am certain of this much at least.




OK, but that said then, they did know of a connection between you and the dealer and then they did find the cards, right?

I'm not being in the least accusatory here, it just seems like the obvious reason for searching your bag.

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« Reply #43 on: January 31, 2018, 11:47:42 AM »

So...

Have you been in and asked to speak to the Manager?
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« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2018, 11:59:08 AM »

I may be totally out of line here, but is there any possibility that they found or were told about a connection between you and the disgraced/cheating/sacked dealer and were suspicious of you or looking for an excuse to ban you?

No, because when I went forward to the manager in Birmingham he said they would use the info but I wouldn't be mentioned. There were already rumours in the air about said dealer/ already looking to get rid of him but I actually had evidence in writing. I am certain of this much at least.



OK, but that said then, they did know of a connection between you and the dealer and then they did find the cards, right?

I'm not being in the least accusatory here, it just seems like the obvious reason for searching your bag thing.


Thanks for your replies Red-dog. I'm not sure how to answer so excuse me if I'm not making sense but will write down what I think for you

- They (Birmingham, NOT  Bournemouth) know of my previous connection to that poker dealer
- However, I was honest and came forward with info immediately re: selling cash chips outside of the casino, being offered no rake
- I am told that while they will use my evidence against him, he will not be made aware that said info has come from me
- Now after this incident, that same card room manager is doing his best to get me unbanned, if there was ANY info linking me back to that poker dealer, it would have come from him or his casino, so I don't see how Bournemouth would ever suspect me of anything before this incident that led to me being banned.
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