Grosvenor 2019

[Longines]

Live table has changed and now has Anon in seat 3. Surely calling them Alanis would be better.

[4KSuited]

China Mug on the feature table. GL Tom

[Killerkilsby]

Which one is he?

[4KSuited]

Which one is he?

Seat 6

More home viewing ahead!

[DropTheHammer]

So a deal was (unsurprisingly) done to flatten out the really top heavy payouts, and there are some quasi-anonymous players about now 🙂

[Pokerpops]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

[bergeroo]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

[ripple11]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

Don't hate Grosvenor...just need the poker to fit round work/life.

 As someone who can't get to a casino at any time during a weekday, the online day 1 on a Wednesday, works for me......if I qualify I can plan/juggle Sunday and know I'm free Saturday for family/kids activities etc. Otherwise I can choose to play live on the Saturday.

 The 25/25 doesnt offer a mid week online sat....only "last chance" on the Saturday evening...so doable ,but not ideal for me.

No online or Saturday day 1 for GUKPT is no good for me.

Although the rake / %'s / seats taken out on these deepstacks aren't good.....the advantage of just turning up for some poker on a day 2 live is attractive.

[Pokerpops]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.

[arbboy]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

Resorts is crushing it.  Their mid tier buy ins just seem to crush the local scene now.  They always seem to appeal to the masses more.  Cheaper buy ins/bigger gtd's.  G Casinos in the midlands poker wise have a real staff turnover issue currently.  One of the Walsall poker supervisors has just left to deal at resorts and had a substantial pay rise for less responsibilty.  Several other supervisors at walsall are leaving and the card room manager at Hill St has recently left as well.  It does seem like the wheels really are falling off locally in Bham for Grov at the minute.   The 25/25 at walsall recently was a shambles and didn't meet the gtd when it would have made 50/60k previously.

The experience at Resorts is just different class to any G but the trouble is most of the mugs don't play at resorts world and the cash games are pretty tough generally.

[Doobs]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.

If you play enough to get one of the top prizes from the 2% extra rake the £2,000 expenses is managed by main event travel.   Sure people would prefer the 2k in their back pockets.

[arbboy]

As an addition to the GUKPT and 25/25 Series Grosvenor have now announced a ‘deepstack’ series

http://www.gukpt.com/deepstack/

Of note,
£130+£20 entry for a £12,000 gtee
2% deduction from prizepool to fund a league table that applies across ALL Grosvenor Tour Events
£11.25 from every entry is converted into a 25/25 seat which becomes part of the prize pool
Any overlays will be paid out using Grosvenor Poker Tournament Credits

Form an orderly queue...

Couple of corrections
For every 20 players a £225 seat will be taken out towards any 25/25 of choice. Capped at 10 seats.
Any deepstack overlays will be paid out in cash. They voucher system will only be used for local events

That didn’t last long. The Birmingham leg paid out c£4K in vouchers at the weekend.

I am shocked that a casino in central Birmingham can not get 90 runners for a tourney like this with three day ones plus an online one. Are there really no poker players in Brum? Is Grosvenor just being crushed by Resorts World? Is this too similar to 25/25? Rake too much? Or do people hate Grosvenor now?

It’s a pretty poor offering tbh. GUKPT sides were £135+£15, why is this £130+£20?
Seats taken out of prize pool is neutrally viewed at best, and a negative for some.
2% extra taken to fund their promotional budget for the entire GUKPT.
Now they are paying out in vouchers, it’s not making it look any more attractive is it?

They are in Stockton this week. I won’t be playing.

If you play enough to get one of the top prizes from the 2% extra rake the £2,000 expenses is managed by main event travel.   Sure people would prefer the 2k in their back pockets.

The cash grab just gets worse.  Those Main event travel sponsored all in buttons need to be paid for somehow on the G tables.

[Rexas]

Resorts is absolutely killing it right now as has been said, they seem to have very aggressively moved in on the business previously held by Bham Hill St, Walsall and Coventry. This is how I see it:

So brand loyalty is stupid, right? I shopped exclusively at Tesco for years for no good reason, until they discontinued my favourite Chicken Tikka Pasty and I rage quit to Morrisons. I now exclusively shop there. There are lots of people around the Notts area that will only go to DtD, and have never been to either of the other two options in Notts/haven't given them a chance. I also know several people who exclusively play at the Notts Grosvenor. Most of these people are not interested in the competition, and believe they're in the best place for them, even though they have extremely limited experience of the alternatives and have no interest in considering them. I tend to swap between the G and DTD at the moment and it takes something attractive to convince me to go somewhere else, even for just one evening.

Resorts seem to get that, and so they've put on some really great promotions. The cash game giveaway thing where they're giving away £500 every hour and some of the tournaments they've been putting on, coupled with how easy it is to get there, has got people talking. It's been enough to convince a lot of people, including me, to give them a shot. And when you get there, you find a really well organised card room. All the staff seem to actually want to be there as well as being good at their jobs. The food isn't completely awful, they're not slaughtering anyone with rake and all this creates an atmosphere where even the majority of the regulars aren't miserable. So they're not just doing things to get you through the door, once you're there they're showing you that they have a really slick set up to offer and they're trying hard to make sure you come away with a good impression. They're also clever enough to avoid running these promotions/tournaments too often so they become boring and lose the novelty aspect, and so people don't do their money too fast chasing them.

So that's what Resorts are doing right, but what about Grosvenor's response? They've smashed up the rake in their tournaments, which not only looks bad to the regs but it means that everyone who is losing in their games is doing their money that much faster. This vouchers thing is ridiculous - most people will do their money in the casino anyway, and they know it, but they don't want it rammed down their throats. They also seem to have gone back on their assertion that this was only for the little daily tournaments since they paid out the overlay in that deepstack in vouchers.

G have been running some good looking stuff. The Goliath killed it again, they're running some cash game promos, and I even managed to accidentally qualify for the Titan last year through one of these promotions. But when they get people through the door, what have they done with them? I'm going to use my experiences at the Ricoh last year as the example, because it's where they hold the Goliath and where they've been holding the final days of tournaments like the Titan so I assume it's a cardroom that's on the upper end in Grosvenor's eyes. The Goliath was a fucking mess. The cash games were split all over the place, the electronic list system just didn't work, staff were either rude af or clearly shattered and no-one seemed to have control over what as going on. The dealers got put up in the hotel overlooking the football pitch and they all got kicked out of their rooms at 9am on the Saturday because of a football match. Some of them had come off 12 hour plus shifts at 6am. Absolutely disgusting way to treat your staff. I can't speak for the tournaments, but I sure hope they were run a hell of a lot better given the rake they've been charging.

Maybe it's just that the Goliath was way busier than they expected, maybe it's better at different times? Well, when I went for the final day of the Titan (brags), they knew in advance how many people they'd have. About 100 odd people made it through, having qualified from different locations around the midlands. Started at 14:00, so a lot of those people (me included) would be driving through lunch time and want to grab food at the venue. There was one waiter working in the entire building. After an hour of waiting for service whilst playing the tournament, I decided to just go up to the bar and order. When I asked the lass there for a menu, she gave me the 24 hour one. I knew this wasn't the right menu for the time, so I asked if they were doing anything off the main menu. She then produced a main menu that was so faded you could barely see the names of the food or the prices on there, but fine whatever at least we were getting somewhere. I ordered a hot dog, and waited for her to find this option on the till. She couldn't. She apologised and asked a manager who was walking past if she knew where it was. Without looking or attempting to help in any way, she kept on walking past and just said "no, no idea". Waitress behind the till was getting pretty flustered and I wasn't exactly happy, so I said don't worry about it and went back to the cardroom (this wasn't a tournament break, I was missing hands while this was going on.) The one waiter was still nowhere to be seen, so I went to complain to the cardroom manager. He apologised and said he'd send someone over. Nearly an hour later I managed to collar this same waiter and get some food ordered. The regs just laughed when I mentioned this to them and said that's how it always is. The awful service was literally a joke to them.

Now I will say at this point that I think the Nottingham G is absolutely fantastic, but this seems to be an exception and even they are experiencing cuts in staff numbers and the quality of the food there has tanked in the last year or so.

Bottom line is if I want to go somewhere that I feel welcome and valued, I won't be going to a Grosvenor. Despite being well established after years of business, the Gs around Resorts are finding their regulars jumping ship. I think it's got nothing really to do with the guarantees or the promotions, or even the rake. I think it's because if you go to Resorts, you're going to be looked after.

[Omm]

Resorts is absolutely killing it right now as has been said, they seem to have very aggressively moved in on the business previously held by Bham Hill St, Walsall and Coventry. This is how I see it:

So brand loyalty is stupid, right? I shopped exclusively at Tesco for years for no good reason, until they discontinued my favourite Chicken Tikka Pasty and I rage quit to Morrisons. I now exclusively shop there. There are lots of people around the Notts area that will only go to DtD, and have never been to either of the other two options in Notts/haven't given them a chance. I also know several people who exclusively play at the Notts Grosvenor. Most of these people are not interested in the competition, and believe they're in the best place for them, even though they have extremely limited experience of the alternatives and have no interest in considering them. I tend to swap between the G and DTD at the moment and it takes something attractive to convince me to go somewhere else, even for just one evening.

Resorts seem to get that, and so they've put on some really great promotions. The cash game giveaway thing where they're giving away £500 every hour and some of the tournaments they've been putting on, coupled with how easy it is to get there, has got people talking. It's been enough to convince a lot of people, including me, to give them a shot. And when you get there, you find a really well organised card room. All the staff seem to actually want to be there as well as being good at their jobs. The food isn't completely awful, they're not slaughtering anyone with rake and all this creates an atmosphere where even the majority of the regulars aren't miserable. So they're not just doing things to get you through the door, once you're there they're showing you that they have a really slick set up to offer and they're trying hard to make sure you come away with a good impression. They're also clever enough to avoid running these promotions/tournaments too often so they become boring and lose the novelty aspect, and so people don't do their money too fast chasing them.

So that's what Resorts are doing right, but what about Grosvenor's response? They've smashed up the rake in their tournaments, which not only looks bad to the regs but it means that everyone who is losing in their games is doing their money that much faster. This vouchers thing is ridiculous - most people will do their money in the casino anyway, and they know it, but they don't want it rammed down their throats. They also seem to have gone back on their assertion that this was only for the little daily tournaments since they paid out the overlay in that deepstack in vouchers.

G have been running some good looking stuff. The Goliath killed it again, they're running some cash game promos, and I even managed to accidentally qualify for the Titan last year through one of these promotions. But when they get people through the door, what have they done with them? I'm going to use my experiences at the Ricoh last year as the example, because it's where they hold the Goliath and where they've been holding the final days of tournaments like the Titan so I assume it's a cardroom that's on the upper end in Grosvenor's eyes. The Goliath was a fucking mess. The cash games were split all over the place, the electronic list system just didn't work, staff were either rude af or clearly shattered and no-one seemed to have control over what as going on. The dealers got put up in the hotel overlooking the football pitch and they all got kicked out of their rooms at 9am on the Saturday because of a football match. Some of them had come off 12 hour plus shifts at 6am. Absolutely disgusting way to treat your staff. I can't speak for the tournaments, but I sure hope they were run a hell of a lot better given the rake they've been charging.

Maybe it's just that the Goliath was way busier than they expected, maybe it's better at different times? Well, when I went for the final day of the Titan (brags), they knew in advance how many people they'd have. About 100 odd people made it through, having qualified from different locations around the midlands. Started at 14:00, so a lot of those people (me included) would be driving through lunch time and want to grab food at the venue. There was one waiter working in the entire building. After an hour of waiting for service whilst playing the tournament, I decided to just go up to the bar and order. When I asked the lass there for a menu, she gave me the 24 hour one. I knew this wasn't the right menu for the time, so I asked if they were doing anything off the main menu. She then produced a main menu that was so faded you could barely see the names of the food or the prices on there, but fine whatever at least we were getting somewhere. I ordered a hot dog, and waited for her to find this option on the till. She couldn't. She apologised and asked a manager who was walking past if she knew where it was. Without looking or attempting to help in any way, she kept on walking past and just said "no, no idea". Waitress behind the till was getting pretty flustered and I wasn't exactly happy, so I said don't worry about it and went back to the cardroom (this wasn't a tournament break, I was missing hands while this was going on.) The one waiter was still nowhere to be seen, so I went to complain to the cardroom manager. He apologised and said he'd send someone over. Nearly an hour later I managed to collar this same waiter and get some food ordered. The regs just laughed when I mentioned this to them and said that's how it always is. The awful service was literally a joke to them.

Now I will say at this point that I think the Nottingham G is absolutely fantastic, but this seems to be an exception and even they are experiencing cuts in staff numbers and the quality of the food there has tanked in the last year or so.

Bottom line is if I want to go somewhere that I feel welcome and valued, I won't be going to a Grosvenor. Despite being well established after years of business, the Gs around Resorts are finding their regulars jumping ship. I think it's got nothing really to do with the guarantees or the promotions, or even the rake. I think it's because if you go to Resorts, you're going to be looked after.

Some fair points.


The food at Luton has gone down hill as well. I happened to get a survey which I filled in and within 15 mins (this was around lunchtime midweek) the GM has called me to apologise and put £50 on my Points card. He said the food should be getting better over the next few months as they can go back to having more control over it.

[George2Loose]

My two cents.

Grosvenor just don’t give a shit about poker. They are in it for the short term looking to take as much as possible then ride off into the sunset. They also have an archaic senior management who don’t listen are stuck in the past do not want to innovate.

My local casino is a Grosvenor and playing less and less and I’m glad others are voting with their feet. Whoever came up with this voucher system should be sacked on the spot.