schoolgirl who joined IS but wants to come home.

[MANTIS01]

True dat.

I remember JCorbs needing more meaningful info before condemning Russia over the Skripal poisoning.

Them poor fellas on the telly were clearly simple tourists enjoying the delights of Salisbury's 123m spire.

[kukushkin88]

True dat.

I remember JCorbs needing more meaningful info before condemning Russia over the Skripal poisoning.

Them poor fellas on the telly were clearly simple tourists enjoying the delights of Salisbury's 123m spire.

It’s just the thick British tabloid narrative vs empirically evidenced information. I’ll go back to not posting. If you ever realise how dumb you are, you’ll look back fondly on spots like this :-).

Not saying I cited any evidence (empirical or otherwise) today.

[Pokerpops]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

So you don’t know what was going on in her head, but then tell us it’s obvious what she was thinking.

Have you listened to Rees-Moggs answer from QT? Can you give a reasoned response as to why the approach he espoused is wrong?

[Doobs]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had. 

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.   

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

[Doobs]

"There was a difference between the person running round northetn Iraq with a kalasnikov and three schoolgirls who had been duped into travelling to Syria"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/11461693/Sisters-of-the-missing-jihadi-brides-to-face-radicalisation-tests.html

[MANTIS01]

Remorse is a powerful tool in achieving forgiveness for ones actions...

[Jon MW]

What has she actually done? She is guilty of going to live somewhere else. And tacitly approving of the actions of others. And that's it? That's what's so terrible? So far as we know, she hasn't planted any bombs, shot anyone, spread hate on the internet, distributed seditious material, attended any dodgy gatherings or taken part in any terrorist activity at all. The hate we have seen spread on the internet on this topic and others has been by hard-line inflexible nationalists who are more dangerous to our society than she is.

You can’t in all seriousness claim that a nationalist bigot posting some garbage on the internet is more dangerous to our society than someone who has integrated herself into a terrorist network.  It’s a laughable comment.

Of course I do. I am seriously concerned about the direction we are going. I don’t have many very right-wing friends on Facebook, for example, but there are a few and the hatred in the links they put up is undermining our society and has the potential to lead to violence. I think that thousands of bigots spoiling for trouble is hugely more dangerous than one individual who moved into a terrorist group but isn’t known to have actively participated in anything. Obviously, you don’t.

I think the original point should really be the key point - What has she actually done?

The assumption should always be innocent until proven guilty. If she is a British citizen and she has broken any laws then she should be prosecuted and put on trial for them.

I have read elsewhere that the ISIS Brides were very valuable to their cause, there is at least a reasonable chance she has broken some laws; but if that is the case it's the rule of law that should be paramount.

[BigAdz]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had. 

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.   

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

You liberals just keep picking the bits that that you pull a few holes in but NEVER answer the big ones.

What do you think she went there for? What were her motives?

Knowing that she knew what we do, they surely weren't good intentions.

What do the families of those killed by ISIS feel. Should we put their feelings behind those of an idiot that went and wants to come back?

Please DOOBS/KUSH/TRAV/POPS stop picking your spots and answer the above. The bits that DO matter.

[Doobs]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had. 

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.   

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

You liberals just keep picking the bits that that you pull a few holes in but NEVER answer the big ones.

What do you think she went there for? What were her motives?

Knowing that she knew what we do, they surely weren't good intentions.

What do the families of those killed by ISIS feel. Should we put their feelings behind those of an idiot that went and wants to come back?

Please DOOBS/KUSH/TRAV/POPS stop picking your spots and answer the above. The bits that DO matter.

I don't know her motives, and neither do you, they were more likely to be religious than any intention of killing.  Many people don't think my way, your way, or the way we expect.

I expect many of those families want to see justice against their killers and not against some random that wasn't involved.  But that isn't a universal reaction.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/peter-kassigs-parents-statement-beheading-isis

I think his parents showed enormous courage in the circumstances; there are many different ways to be brave.

Why are you against her coming back and facing a fair trial?

[kukushkin88]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had.  

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.  

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

You liberals just keep picking the bits that that you pull a few holes in but NEVER answer the big ones.

What do you think she went there for? What were her motives?

Knowing that she knew what we do, they surely weren't good intentions.

What do the families of those killed by ISIS feel. Should we put their feelings behind those of an idiot that went and wants to come back?

Please DOOBS/KUSH/TRAV/POPS stop picking your spots and answer the above. The bits that DO matter.

The problem with your questions are......they’re all things we don’t and can’t know. You like a guess though...and astoundingly, every time you guess, you guess the answer that is what you thought you already knew. So your guesses have no value.

I’m sure we all sympathise with any ISIS associated deaths.

[nirvana]

At times like this we just need a good night out and some beauty

[BigAdz]

Here's Jacob Rees Mogg's take on it. It's only 1m 22 secs, so an easy watch.


https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1096183550410481667

I'm not sure how watching JRM for longer than several seconds can ever be an easy watch.

I’m sure that some will find it difficult to watch. I wouldn’t want to have to live next door to those who disagree with him as strongly as some of the seemingly alt-right sympathisers who post here.

The Blonde alt-right truly are extraordinary. Anyone who says British and international law should be applied is lily livered. The man delivering the message is afraid of 19 year old girls from Bethnal Green. He also thinks people saying something and people thinking something is the same thing.

If you say seeing a severed head in a bin is no biggie...How likely is it that you actually think that? Does saying it make it more or less likely that you actually think it? (It’s nuanced this one)

Adz is an interesting one, ranges between: “I know nothing about anything”, it’s hard to dislike anyone who judges the appropriate level of their own humlility that well. We then get to hear that he knew exactly (in some respects) what was going on in the head of a 15 year old girl 4 years ago.

I don't claim to know what was going on in her head. But its pretty bloody obvious!!

She didn't go over there for a holiday, thinking England is a wonderful place and I leave here wishing the best for all her citizens, while I pop over to Syria and do some baking, whilst I pop out a few kids for some gun toting maniac who believes his god(one of thousands)is the one true god and has convinced him that killing everyone that doesn't believe in his god should die....

Or was she thinking something else, and she is now no longer a risk to society over here?



Anyway, lets forget about what she thinks or thought.

How do you think the people in this country who have lost family to the actions of ISIS would feel if we took this idiot back and stuck her in a nice council house, and gave her the usual set of benefits we seem do happy to "dole" out?

She said in the interview that she went expecting to share a house with her friends; I think that was what was said at the time too.  We have little way of knowing how she went from that to marrying a stranger in 3 weeks.  We simply don't know what choices she really had. 

Before she left she was doing well at school; so I guess she isn't your typical school drop out heading for a life on the dole.  We just don't know right now.   

I can't be sure right now, but wasn't it you that acknowledged there were hundreds of people who likely fought in Syria that are walking free in this country.   Surely Sajid Javid should be focusing on them and not a new mother stuck in Syria that is likely to have never taken part in combat.   But politics, meh.

You liberals just keep picking the bits that that you pull a few holes in but NEVER answer the big ones.

What do you think she went there for? What were her motives?

Knowing that she knew what we do, they surely weren't good intentions.

What do the families of those killed by ISIS feel. Should we put their feelings behind those of an idiot that went and wants to come back?

Please DOOBS/KUSH/TRAV/POPS stop picking your spots and answer the above. The bits that DO matter.

I don't know her motives, and neither do you, they were more likely to be religious than any intention of killing.  Many people don't think my way, your way, or the way we expect.

I expect many of those families want to see justice against their killers and not against some random that wasn't involved.  But that isn't a universal reaction.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/17/peter-kassigs-parents-statement-beheading-isis

I think his parents showed enormous courage in the circumstances; there are many different ways to be brave.

Why are you against her coming back and facing a fair trial?

You have already answered that. Principally because we have no evidence of what she did or didn't do.

For the third time though, if you decide you want to go and live with killers and people who hate our way of life and have publicly stated they want us all dead, there comes a time you HAVE TO make some assumptions. It wasn't to make a frigging documentary.

Why waste any more tax payers money on her? Be that a trial or prison, and the cushy conditions that will inevitably go with it....

As someone that still believes in the death penalty, I doubt we are ever going to reach a mid point in our way of thinking....

[Woodsey]

True dat.

I remember JCorbs needing more meaningful info before condemning Russia over the Skripal poisoning.

Them poor fellas on the telly were clearly simple tourists enjoying the delights of Salisbury's 123m spire.

It’s just the thick British tabloid narrative vs empirically evidenced information. I’ll go back to not posting. If you ever realise how dumb you are, you’ll look back fondly on spots like this :-).

Not saying I cited any evidence (empirical or otherwise) today.

Do you ever say thing sort of stuff to people in real life? I suspect not as you would have been filled in numerous times already  

[MANTIS01]

I prefer to gather more information before making guesses about the IQ of people

[Juperjiper]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8440810/isis-british-family-syria-holiday-return/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1550311803

Hate when this happens