JJprodigy

[Nem]

The diffrence there was that both marcel and noah were playing, when noah got knocked out he took over for marcel. It was not Noah playign 2 accts.

 

[Sark79]

I feel sorry for this guy. Ok, take the tournie money away, but not his account money.

This is similar to an athlete having their medals taken away after failing a drugs test. Even though they had competed and won before they took the banned drug.

I don't agree with cheating, but in this instance exceptions can be made. As far as we know he didn't cheat to win the money in his accounts before the win. It seems like stealing to me to take it away from him.

Who at 17 years old didn't get into a few dodgy situations. With poker on TV and the advertisment of a great lifestyle being shown on countless TV shows weekly it would be hard for any kid with the brains not to do this.

I don't think what this guy did is any worse than sneaking a beer at 15 or borrowing his parents car without permission. This is all part of growing up, he will hopefully have learned his leason and will think twice in future.

Fortunately for this guy he is young and will come back. But does this now mean he can't play on internet poker sites?....Won't he now be banned?

Actually how can they ban him?....he is under age regardless where he lives in the world. He is only 17

[Royal Flush]

By breaking the T's+C's you lose your cash its as simple as that, he has been using 2 accts for 2 months, this was not an isolated incident.

Also if he is 17, who really knows? Then he has been violating the T's+C's since day 1 so all monies should be taken.

[totalise]

What I found pretty shocking about the whole situation, is that when his friend "gbmantis" started the first thread about JJ winning, Actionjeff said something like "shssssssssssh".. so he obviously knew what was going on, and his only reaction was to try and stop mantis from speakin, rather then finding anything wrong with the actions!

I like partys decision, I think it was correct to take both gramma and JJ's account. Do we know if the $40k came from cheating? no, but as James said, he violated the T&C, and got pretty much what he deserved.

Today at some stage he is talking to one of the bigwigs to see if there is a way to try and get some money back.. which should read 'he is talking to party, and will see if ratting out his friends to party and telling them the account names will get at least some of his money returned', so i expect that there is more to come out of this sorry swordid affair

[bundle]

Guess you can't keep em away....He's been playing $100/200 HU on stars...Now playing the $200 omaha MTT LOL

[doubleup]

If Party have the info to check that he had done this in the past how come they only act now?

They have been happy to take double rake for the previous events. Maybe they should earn their rake and protect other players by checking on this for every tournament.

The most important issue in this whole debate

[rivered]

A $40k fine is harsh!  Why can't they take away his net earnings since he created the 2nd account... that would be fairer.... taking away the $140k is fine, but the rest of his account money... nah that's too much.. these poker sites need to be regulated and there should be a max fine for cheating.

[AdamM]

just because he got caught this time, doesn't mean it's the first time. $40k is a huge ammount of money and it's quite possible cheating was involved in gathering that.

if he's been caught cheating he loses the lot.

[Ironside]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

[ACE2M]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

Doesn't that ruin it for wireless networks tho?

[AndrewT]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

Doesn't that ruin it for wireless networks tho?

Yes it does - tough. If you're on the same wireless network as someone else you're going to have to enter different tournaments - big deal.

Personally I'm amazed that poker software allows more than one entry from an IP address anyway - if you are lax in your security in any way, someone will exploit it.

[Graham C]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

I agree

I agree with Sark and think it's a bit harsh too.  If Party are saying that they have the facilities to look into these sorts of things then they should be able to go back on the other accounts record and cross reference IP addresses and see if he's cheated before.  If he has then fair enough, take the money, if not, he should be entitled to it.

As for death threats and hate mails he's getting, that's just out of order too.  It's not crime of the century, all he's done is have two accounts in one game.  He still had to play them.  Resorting to pathetic 'death threats' should also be punished imo, there is no need for it.
 

[Graham C]

if you are lax in your security in any way, someone will exploit it.

I recall playing in a Blonde tourney not too long ago when a certain person played sat in a car outside someones house using a wireless connection without their notice

[ACE2M]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

Doesn't that ruin it for wireless networks tho?

Yes it does - tough. If you're on the same wireless network as someone else you're going to have to enter different tournaments - big deal.

Personally I'm amazed that poker software allows more than one entry from an IP address anyway - if you are lax in your security in any way, someone will exploit it.

I don't think they will do it then as that will push out lots of players, shared houses, halls of residence, internet cafes etc etc

I have played in the same tourneys as housemates and when we ended up on the same table one of us got kisked off, so obviously they can bar same ip's but don't want to.

[lazaroonie]

its about time that these sites took basic steps to stop multi accounts playing in same comps by logging ip numbers only 1 account per ip can play in a comp

that should be a first basic step

But even that can be got around easily enough, if you are really determined.

- connect each wireless pc in your home network to an external VPN, then you will get different IP addresses
- Buy fixed IP addresses from your service provider, and assign them each of the machines on connection.

etc etc...