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« on: March 12, 2006, 07:00:13 PM »

You hold AKs
Heads up

you have exactly 3/4 of the chips, other guy moves all in and shows you 22.

call or fold?

what if you had 1/4 of the chips?  or half?  would your decision change?

this is not a real situation, this is about your style of play, ignore blinds, just imagine 1/4   1/2  and 3/4 of the chips heads up, and imagine you hands are equal (AKs v 22 is about as close as you can get)
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« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2006, 07:07:17 PM »

I'm calling everytime with AKs.
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2006, 07:20:15 PM »

what if you had the 22?
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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2006, 07:20:56 PM »

3/4 of the chips - Call every time

1/2 and 1/4 of the chips depends on opponent and blind size (in proportion to stack size).  You can not ignore blind size thats just stupid.
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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2006, 07:36:27 PM »

sounds cocky perhaps but I believe I can match anyone HU and have an edge over the majority. with that in mind I call if I have 3/4 or 2/3 of the chips, confident I can out play my opponent if I dont hit. if I have 1/2 the chips I pass and look to out play my opponent.
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2006, 07:39:11 PM »

sounds cocky perhaps but I believe I can match anyone HU and have an edge over the majority.

Adam Ivey Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2006, 07:49:34 PM »

sounds cocky perhaps but I believe I can match anyone HU

including Ivey  Cool
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2006, 08:45:44 PM »

In this situation, I would call a floorman and insist that my opponent be subject to a 10/15 minute time penalty for deliberately exposing his cards.  Cool
Then I'd win the tournament by default  stirthepot

In all seriousness though,
With 3/4 I'd need to feel like I had a big edge over them to fold. Usually I'd call with that stack.

I agree with wellchief, you cannae ignore the blinds and it would depend upon the ability of your opponent.

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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2006, 09:20:00 PM »

if you read Adams reply you will see what this post is really about, your mindset headsup.
I did say it's not real but if it helps you to have blinds then blinds are 1/2 and there are 10 million chips on the table.  in other words, you are not pushed towards calling due to huge blinds, your call or fold is based on your game strategy......
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2006, 09:27:27 PM »

Then I definately call, can't be assed playing with 10,000,000 chips.

We'll get it over with and have a spot of lunch  Cool
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2006, 09:33:54 PM »


if you read Adams reply you will see what this post is really about, your mindset headsup.


Yeah we all got that but would you not have been better citing the example the other way round, ie you have a small edge rather than being a small dog?

Against some really weak players you should never call all-in pre-flop heads-up with reasonably small blinds (with hands as strong as KK!) such is your edge through your ability to read them, win small pots, get paid off with the nuts etc.

These kind of players are rarely going to put you to that desicion though.
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2006, 09:35:06 PM »

Then I definately call, can't be assed playing with 1,000,000 chips.

We'll get it over with and have a spot of lunch  Cool


 
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2006, 06:48:03 PM »

AK s versus 22 and I have 3/4 of the chips.

FOLD!!!! no question
He is ahead and I need to catch something.
As chip leader I dont want to play big pots..small little ones and chop chop chop away at him

If I am 1/4 of the chips in play and I have AKs and he has 22....fire away...all in baby.

If I have half the chips in play and I know he has 22 I would move all in. If he moves in first I would fold.

Thats just me though
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2006, 10:49:50 AM »

that makes no sense to me. what you seem to be saying is if you're ahead in chips you turn down the 50/50 (and if you are suited it's pretty much EXACLY 50/50) but if you're behind in chips you take the gamble.

Surely the other way round makes more sense. If I have the lead, take the 50/50 and lose and I'm down to even in chips I can still win it. If I'm behind, take the 50/50 and lose and I'm out so I want to avoid it.
you win chips early in a comp so that you can be in marginal situations with chips to spare. if you dont have your opponent covered you should surely avoid marginal situations
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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2006, 02:02:15 PM »

If the blinds are low then i would fold most of the time. I would only take the 50-50 bet if the other guy was obviously better and i had 1/4 of the chips.

With 3/4 of the chips it doesn't make sense to call. Hypothetically, if my opponent and i are equally as good as each other then i should win 75% of the time from this position, so why chase 50% gambles. If s/he is better than me then i don't want to give him/her the chance to draw level (my opponent must be a lot better then me to be more than 50% fav to win when i have 3/4 of the chips)

If had 1/4 of the chips and the blinds were reasonably high, then i would gamble because i can't wait around all day.
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