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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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Quote from: Cf on December 24, 2012, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: MC on December 24, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
Cf you are missing the point completely.
Under your theory if there were three seperate tournaments running, a £25 with 5000 runners, a £100 tournament with 800 runners and a £500 tournament with 100 runners, you would choose to play the £25 tournament because it has the biggest first prize. Obviously that does not mean it is the most profitable tournament.
In this MPP you are effectively playing 3 tournaments at the same time. So if you are +EV in all the fields, then the highest buy-in is clearly the one you would choose.
I can't argue with what you're saying there but I doubt most will think like that. I think the majority will ask "If I buyin for X then what is 1st prize?". The answer to that question seems to be more favourable to the lower buyin amount.
And thinking about it you'd especially consider this with a guarantee. The event is guaranteed anyway so just everyone buyin for the lowest amount. The money'll be put in - no need to put it there yourself. And as it's split by % of players per PP there doesn't seem to be much advantage in buying in for more hoping for an easier chance at a split because most of it will be put in the lower PP.
When you play a regular comp you have to beat approx 88% of the field to cash, be honest, how often do you do that? Wth MPP you can enter P2 or P3 and with a good solid game will cash and / or be freerolling on P1 most times you play, this has to be good for your bankroll ?
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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December 31, 2012, 12:33:31 PM »
Quote from: EvilPie on December 24, 2012, 05:18:23 PM
Has there been any talk of them being re-entry / reload tournaments as well?
If so would you only be allowed to buy back in at the same level as you initially started?
Depending on how the trials go we may consider reload one one day events during late reg and re entry into day 1b on multi day comps, as everyone is playing P1 i see no reason too enforce players to re enter into same pool but i would imagine they would want to rather than give up their equity.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM »
Quote from: DEVIL on December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:
It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.
If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500. I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino.
Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.
Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1 i would expect to cash in P3 and P2 giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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December 31, 2012, 01:44:30 PM »
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1 i would expect to cash in P3 and P2 giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
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I dont get this bit Simon. Surely cashing in P3 and P2 will be just as hard, same 12% of that prize pool get paid
Also a few seem to think that P3 & P2 bubbles will burst before the P1 bubble. However this isnt necessarily the case, in fact if you subscribe to the theory that the P3 players will be better than the lower buy-in P1 players then the bubble will burst for P1 usually first.
I love the idea by the way and look forward to coming along to play one soon.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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December 31, 2012, 02:46:01 PM »
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: Cf on December 24, 2012, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: MC on December 24, 2012, 11:19:00 AM
Cf you are missing the point completely.
Under your theory if there were three seperate tournaments running, a £25 with 5000 runners, a £100 tournament with 800 runners and a £500 tournament with 100 runners, you would choose to play the £25 tournament because it has the biggest first prize. Obviously that does not mean it is the most profitable tournament.
In this MPP you are effectively playing 3 tournaments at the same time. So if you are +EV in all the fields, then the highest buy-in is clearly the one you would choose.
I can't argue with what you're saying there but I doubt most will think like that. I think the majority will ask "If I buyin for X then what is 1st prize?". The answer to that question seems to be more favourable to the lower buyin amount.
And thinking about it you'd especially consider this with a guarantee. The event is guaranteed anyway so just everyone buyin for the lowest amount. The money'll be put in - no need to put it there yourself. And as it's split by % of players per PP there doesn't seem to be much advantage in buying in for more hoping for an easier chance at a split because most of it will be put in the lower PP.
When you play a regular comp you have to beat approx 88% of the field to cash, be honest, how often do you do that? Wth MPP you can enter P2 or P3 and with a good solid game will cash and / or be freerolling on P1 most times you play, this has to be good for your bankroll ?
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But don't P2/P3 have the same problem? You still have to beat 88% of them to cash too. I get what you're saying that it'll be possible to cash in P2/P3 before the bubble has burst for P1 but I'm not sure those bubbles will burst significantly earlier. And if a number of P2/P3 players make it to the end then the bubbles for those could burst after PP1. The way you've worded it suggests everyone enters P3 because they think they're going to get their money back/freeroll. This isn't going to be the case for the majority of them.
One of the things I do like about this is how unpredictable it's going to be. This thread shows a wide range of opinions on how people interpret it. I myself think it's best to buy in for the lower amount. Others think it's best to buy in for the higher amount. Be interesting to see how it all pans out... I'd definitely be interested in playing a monthly deepstack with this format.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 02, 2013, 05:12:41 PM »
its a great idea. i did like the 2+2 comment though, "sounds like organised last longers with extra rake".
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 02, 2013, 06:15:54 PM »
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: DEVIL on December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:
It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.
If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500. I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino.
Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.
Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1
i would expect to cash in P3 and P2
giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
ACES
What? How can you mysteriously cash P3 everytime just because it has less players? You're still paying top 88% right? Or is this some sort of MPP strategy you've already worked out.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 02, 2013, 06:17:14 PM »
Quote from: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: DEVIL on December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:
It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.
If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500. I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino.
Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.
Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1
i would expect to cash in P3 and P2
giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
ACES
What? How can you mysteriously cash P3 everytime just because it has
less
players? You're still paying top 88% right? Or is this some sort of MPP strategy you've already worked out.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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Quote from: kinboshi on January 02, 2013, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: DEVIL on December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:
It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.
If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500. I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino.
Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.
Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1
i would expect to cash in P3 and P2
giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
ACES
What? How can you mysteriously cash P3 everytime just because it has
less
players? You're still paying top 88% right? Or is this some sort of MPP strategy you've already worked out.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 02, 2013, 09:43:21 PM »
Quote from: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2013, 07:00:42 PM
Quote from: kinboshi on January 02, 2013, 06:17:14 PM
Quote from: rfgqqabc on January 02, 2013, 06:15:54 PM
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Quote from: DEVIL on December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:
It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.
If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500. I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino.
Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.
Everyone is playing P1 so that will be relative to structure and clock, the difference is while with a standard £250 the guarantee would be £100,000, in a £250 / £500 /£1000 MPP the guarantee would be a minimum £250,000, assuming at least 60% goes to P1 the £250 players now has a shot at 50% more.
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1
i would expect to cash in P3 and P2
giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
ACES
What? How can you mysteriously cash P3 everytime just because it has
less
players? You're still paying top 88% right? Or is this some sort of MPP strategy you've already worked out.
Fewer!
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I know, I should have let it go.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 03, 2013, 01:09:14 AM »
Quote from: robbiebox on December 31, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 31, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
i would always play P3 mainly because regardless of P1 i would expect to cash in P3 and P2 giving me a freeroll on P1 but also because i would want to be the first P3 player to scoop all 3 1st prizes.
ACES
I dont get this bit Simon. Surely cashing in P3 and P2 will be just as hard, same 12% of that prize pool get paid
Also a few seem to think that P3 & P2 bubbles will burst before the P1 bubble. However this isnt necessarily the case, in fact if you subscribe to the theory that the P3 players will be better than the lower buy-in P1 players then the bubble will burst for P1 usually first.
I love the idea by the way and look forward to coming along to play one soon.
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I accept that in theory you still have to beat 88% in each pool however i expect because of the dynamics of MPP and the mix of bankrolls and abilities these tournaments will not be played the same way as a normal event and different strategies will be used.
One thing is certain, anyone found colluding, cheating or chip dumping will, along with their accomplice be outed and barred for life11
We have an operational meeting with all the TD and supervisors tomorrow so all the comments made on this and other threads will be discussed.
Cheers
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 29, 2012, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: david3103 on December 21, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Did I miss the answer to whether it will be clear which buy in people are playing?
We haven't decided the best way to do this yet, all the information re each prizepool will be dynamically linked to our site but not available on the screens with our manual trials, may be a way to include it once the system is rewritten with all prizepools combined, may have to use the P2 / P3 card solution given at cash desk but can't force players to display them.
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Without a clear indicator as to which people are playing which prize pool how would you know whether there was any collusion going on?
There was repeated insistence on having Golden Chips on display at the last GP, was this for marketing or to enable dealers and TD to keep an eye on the play?
A simple coloured card would be enough. Or make some special hats.
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Re: Multi Prize Pool Poker comes to DTD in January
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January 03, 2013, 09:53:48 AM »
Quote from: david3103 on January 03, 2013, 07:50:12 AM
Quote from: DTD-ACES on December 29, 2012, 07:41:17 PM
Quote from: david3103 on December 21, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Did I miss the answer to whether it will be clear which buy in people are playing?
We haven't decided the best way to do this yet, all the information re each prizepool will be dynamically linked to our site but not available on the screens with our manual trials, may be a way to include it once the system is rewritten with all prizepools combined, may have to use the P2 / P3 card solution given at cash desk but can't force players to display them.
ACES
Hi David
the Chip was purely for marketing purposes and promoted the scheme.
Simon and the cardroom team have a meeting this week to iron out all the MPP scenarios I'm sure we will lean a little over the next few Thursdays.
Without a clear indicator as to which people are playing which prize pool how would you know whether there was any collusion going on?
There was repeated insistence on having Golden Chips on display at the last GP, was this for marketing or to enable dealers and TD to keep an eye on the play?
A simple coloured card would be enough. Or make some special hats.
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