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« Reply #75 on: December 24, 2012, 12:40:29 PM »

I have the following observations:-

1. The demographic of players on a Thurs night is going to be quite different to the demographic on a weekend.

2. The anticipated split of players in the different levels is obviously difficult to estimate at this stage, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the % is the reverse of your estimate i.e. 70% of players buy in for the highest buy in. This probably won't happen at first but over time I think it will (on a £25, £50 & £100). In order to avoid it becoming a £100 tourney the differentiation needs to be wider (larger gaps between buy ins).
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« Reply #76 on: December 24, 2012, 01:11:47 PM »

Merry Xmas everyone

I like this idea but whether it is successful remains to be seen. Like most new ideas - it cud just drill.

The history behind DTD becoming involved is that Roberto came to see me after Full Tilt went offline - he had been talking with them about introducing MPP into their software, Roberto was a Full Tilt pro at the time and his idea is patent pending with 'MPP' being his trademark for the idea, i helped him with the patent and trademark lawyer but Its his baby really but as a mate of mine we agreed to trial it together at DTD. The trial on Thursdays is to assist us with upgrading our computer system and find out of the inevitable teething issues, many of which have ready been highlighted in this thread. IF we like what we see during the Thursday trials - we will organise some bigger MPP tournaments.

Lot of very good points on this thread and its nice that so many players also care about new poker concepts like us Smiley

Cheers Rob
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« Reply #77 on: December 24, 2012, 02:04:54 PM »

Sounds fun, and poker's supposed to be fun - maybe those 'terrible' 25 pound players might create a brand new recipe for Nigella      .....        The Galactico Face Omelette!

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« Reply #78 on: December 24, 2012, 03:42:53 PM »

Andrew wan and Robert baggerley may have something to say about terrible £25 players!
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« Reply #79 on: December 24, 2012, 05:00:33 PM »

Think this is a really exciting and interesting concept!

I'm quite interested to know if people will be given any kind of indentifier when they enter the comp to single out who is in which comp?

I think this is quite important as effectively there will be 3 bubbles. This has to be a disadvantage to the highest buy-in players as they will have to go through ICM considerations and laddering spots while other players at the table will have none.

For example if there are 1000 players in pool 1, 500 in pool 2 and 100 in pool 3, there could be only 15 left in pool 3 and 14 paid, while there are still 300 left in pool 1 and 130 paid. Obviously in this situation pool 3 players will be in a spot where it is pretty bad to bust and wont be taking massive varience lines on 'their bubble'. If these players are identified as such, other players can take advantage of this and pound on them during all 3 bubbles they have to go through. However if they aren't identified, it could lead to situations where some people at the table know a player is on the bubble of their comp and others don't know he is playing in pool 3 and can't take advantage of it.

Love the idea though.
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« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2012, 05:18:23 PM »

Has there been any talk of them being re-entry / reload tournaments as well?

If so would you only be allowed to buy back in at the same level as you initially started?
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« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2012, 05:24:04 PM »

I definitely think there needs to be an identifier with each player so you know whether they're in the same comp as you.

You could have a situation where one of your comps was on the bubble whilst another was a long way off or it had already burst.

You need to know who you can apply pressure to at what times and also be able to adjust to their assumed ranges depending on what stage their comp is at.

Also agree with Michelle. I can't see any reason that the higher buy in won't account for a higher proportion of the field. Every example so far has assumed that the lower buy in players will vastly outnumber the lower.


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« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2012, 08:07:16 PM »

Has there been any talk of them being re-entry


When I did it late reg or alternates were not even factored into the logistics. With late reg it kinda opens a few more doors for opportunists.
i.e. Mr Money has already punted on a couple of players at lowest buy-in, the initial seat draw was to 7 so he now has a couple of shots to hit the right table and if he is sharp enough he will hit every time. It is now a stakers game of chess, do you use your pawns to inflict damage or get them to dump? All gets a bit complex and exhausting. The comp itself is magical as it sets comfortable personal entry levels, just the players spoil it by trying to exploit the many angles.
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« Reply #83 on: December 25, 2012, 06:15:40 PM »

The idea is great and I am behind it. I think the fields may be too large too for chip dumping to really take place, but it is late on in the tourns though that would be a concern. Off the table deals for the £25 player to cip dump his huge stack to the £100 player with 20 left and give him the best possible opportunity to go ahead and win it and cut him in afterwards.

There would need to be dealer awareness of this and the floor could possibly get called over for any really dodgy spots that are suspicious. But the way around this would be pretty simple for those that want to chip dump. Just barrel bluff on three streets to the guy you wanna give your stack to and let him know via signal you have nothing when your river bet is an all in. He could just be seen as doing a legitimate hero call and it would be way too tough to prove any wrong doing took place. Whereas if it is a three barrel bluff and the hero re raises all in and the bluffer folds his bowl of rice, I think alarm bells can be sounded and two disqualifications can perhaps take place. But even then this could just be a legitimate situation.

It just sounds like there could be a huge headache here and you could just get people being really paranoid about any play between a £25 and a £100 player to the point they can no longer really enjoy the format at all even if all the play is legitimate. It is just the chance that you could be getting done over that will taint the air of the game and make it a much less pleasurable experience. People always suspicious if a play is genuine or not. Of course this is only theory and I could be completely wrong. I hope this is a romping success.
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« Reply #84 on: December 25, 2012, 08:14:33 PM »

I have the following observations:-

1. The demographic of players on a Thurs night is going to be quite different to the demographic on a weekend.

2. The anticipated split of players in the different levels is obviously difficult to estimate at this stage, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the % is the reverse of your estimate i.e. 70% of players buy in for the highest buy in. This probably won't happen at first but over time I think it will (on a £25, £50 & £100). In order to avoid it becoming a £100 tourney the differentiation needs to be wider (larger gaps between buy ins).

Theres not really an issue if it becomes a £100 tourney as the £100 players are still contributing to the £25 pot. So the £25 player can still enter and have a big pot.

The problem is if it happens the other way. If everyone enters for £25 then no money is going towards the £100 pot. So the £100 player can still play but he'd essentially be playing a £25 tournament with perhaps a built in last longer.
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« Reply #85 on: December 26, 2012, 11:29:12 PM »

Great idea i like!

I do worry about the colluding issues but if any place can control this it would be DTD.

I will be donating £100 in January that is for sure!
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« Reply #86 on: December 27, 2012, 06:57:59 PM »

Sounds an interesting concept, it's definately worth trying, it has several benefits:

It entices people from afar to come and play the higher buy in.
It reduces the fluctuations in profit/loss for the higher buy in players. e.g you could finish 1st in the £100 buy in and 8th in the £25 buy in and still come out with a reasonable profit.

If it works the same concept could be used for £100/£250/£500.  I have to say I've been put off travelling to DTD for the £560 buy in believing a 40 minute clock justifies a lower buy in even if it has been my most profitable and favourite casino. 

Hope it works, for the sake of poker and DTD who keep pushing the boundaries.

 
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« Reply #87 on: December 28, 2012, 03:06:17 AM »

The idea is great and I am behind it. I think the fields may be too large too for chip dumping to really take place, but it is late on in the tourns though that would be a concern. Off the table deals for the £25 player to cip dump his huge stack to the £100 player with 20 left and give him the best possible opportunity to go ahead and win it and cut him in afterwards.

There would need to be dealer awareness of this and the floor could possibly get called over for any really dodgy spots that are suspicious. But the way around this would be pretty simple for those that want to chip dump. Just barrel bluff on three streets to the guy you wanna give your stack to and let him know via signal you have nothing when your river bet is an all in. He could just be seen as doing a legitimate hero call and it would be way too tough to prove any wrong doing took place. Whereas if it is a three barrel bluff and the hero re raises all in and the bluffer folds his bowl of rice, I think alarm bells can be sounded and two disqualifications can perhaps take place. But even then this could just be a legitimate situation.

It just sounds like there could be a huge headache here and you could just get people being really paranoid about any play between a £25 and a £100 player to the point they can no longer really enjoy the format at all even if all the play is legitimate. It is just the chance that you could be getting done over that will taint the air of the game and make it a much less pleasurable experience. People always suspicious if a play is genuine or not. Of course this is only theory and I could be completely wrong. I hope this is a romping success.

The likelihood of chip dumping by £25 players will become greater if more players enter pp3 thereby creating a larger pp2 and pp3.
This has to be a real concern and as stated in earlier posts it will be difficult to police.
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« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2012, 01:02:42 PM »

theres gonna be so much tomfoolery and shenanigans, stalling, chip dumping, collusion i can't ever see it running smoothly.
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« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2012, 01:53:16 PM »

theres gonna be so much tomfoolery and shenanigans, stalling, chip dumping, collusion i can't ever see it running smoothly.

This is why it's going to be so much fun Cheesy

Can't see it being appealing for any more than £500 max buy in but for a 25/50/100 comp it'll be brilliant.

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