It's a good point Adz. Hamburg will suffer most in Germany when we analyse the per head of population economic implications. Yet there appears to be a resolve that whatever challenges are encountered they will be dealt with. There aren't any outbursts in the press, demonstrations, interference in politics or demands for leadership change all designed to force an agreement.

There is no doubt our EU 'friends and partners' have framed the argument from the start to influence mentality. I was reading a piece in The Times by Sir Peter Marshall who rightly observes "they regarded our leaving as an existential threat to the EU”. So to combat this threat they have influenced the perception of what's happening by painting us as the sinners and them as the righteous. He says "our partners have managed to establish around themselves an aura of injured innocence, and around us an aura of moral delinquency". When in fact their approach to negotiations have shown "sustained bad faith", remember Maybot becoming almost tearful about their lack of respect?

Of course our friends in the Remain camp have fallen for this ruse hook, line and sinker and in so doing added credibility to this fairy-tale “Vociferous, none-too-scrupulous Remainer campaigning on this side of the Channel has been of great assistance to the EU". This has enabled the manipulation to continue but the reality is that we are all going to suffer (yep the EU happy to point out we will suffer more, nice touch). So Boris writes a letter asking for negotiation to make inroads and he's snap batted away with this negative rhetoric of being a deceiver, wanting hard borders, the outlaw. Lots of people will suffer, Boris reaches out, Tusk swings on his hammock looking smug & dishing out the insults via twitter.

I retain high hopes that Merkel will be more conciliatory. Now that the seemingly invincible German economy faces the real prospect of recession it's time for two powerful partners to grow up and talk business. The time for swinging in the hammock looking smug is over isn't it? 

So really EU have never proposed a solution that has been agreeable...

Original proposal not acceptable to DUP
Amendment not voted through and now not acceptable to current govt
not prepared to reconsider

Don’t know what Boris is supposed to do other than No Deal it really

If the backstop was originally a UK proposal...

...And not imposing one is an impossibility for the EU...

What exactly was the EU’s ‘workable’ proposal before we suggested the backstop solution??

Response to Boris


Donald Tusk
@eucopresident

The backstop is an insurance to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland unless and until an alternative is found. Those against the backstop and not proposing realistic alternatives in fact support reestablishing a border. Even if they do not admit it.

Top 3 reasons why Boris would support a hard border?

In fact just one reason will do..

How long will the process of sourcing/buying new products really take? I figure not long at all so no need for undue panic.

It looks like being a member of the EU has made us very complacent then. Lots of advantages of Brexit which will streamline business making them more competitive, force us to have a more collaborative approach and shake us out of this malaise of complacency so we source more agile solutions. So many advantages my cup runneth over.

Lis (yes biased, a remainer)

"I just don’t think we’ve grasped how deranged this all is. A government minister has admitted that we might suffer medicine shortages in 11 weeks, and insists that we must go ahead with them in the name of democracy."

Ergo we are hopelessly entangled in a rigid arrangement where the supply of our medical requirements depends entirely on the stability of a single agreement. Isn’t that something you want to change? Is the prosperity of the union so certain?

In any business I wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket for vital supplies. I would have a plan a, b, c, d of flexible arrangements in case problems were encountered. As a member of EU we can only have plan a. What Lis says is that rather than letting the fluidity of supply and demand spread the risk across multiple options we should just stick to a single option because the entangling will be a challenge. That’s bollocks mate and much riskier.

What are the EU laws that prevent us from currently buying medicines from outisde the EU?  The way I see it is that we could have chosen to have a plan a, b, c, d of flexible arrangements in case problems were encountered, but just chose not to.




 

Therefore the opinion of ‘Lis’ that we are encountering medical shortages in the name of democracy is inaccurate

Moreover the opinion of every remainer who suggested medical shortages are linked to EU membership are all completely wrong

Lis (yes biased, a remainer)

"I just don’t think we’ve grasped how deranged this all is. A government minister has admitted that we might suffer medicine shortages in 11 weeks, and insists that we must go ahead with them in the name of democracy."

Ergo we are hopelessly entangled in a rigid arrangement where the supply of our medical requirements depends entirely on the stability of a single agreement. Isn’t that something you want to change? Is the prosperity of the union so certain?

In any business I wouldn’t put all my eggs in one basket for vital supplies. I would have a plan a, b, c, d of flexible arrangements in case problems were encountered. As a member of EU we can only have plan a. What Lis says is that rather than letting the fluidity of supply and demand spread the risk across multiple options we should just stick to a single option because the entangling will be a challenge. That’s bollocks mate and much riskier.

MPs offered the referendum, didn’t provide much info, Boris bus, triggered Article 50 too soon, fucked the negotiations, relentless bickering, rejected the only deal, Maybot dancing, voted for self-interests, won’t talk to each other anymore, no plan, want JCorbs as PM.

blameless not a word springing to mind

You think the analysis should demonstrate there’s nothing to be concerned about?

More importantly if EU doesn’t recognise international borders afterwards it looks the Irish problem is gonna be easy to solve, crack on as before

Think EU allowing 282 fishing vessels to illegally enter UK waters from day 1 pretty much sums up the respect level that turned me right off

The EU. It does what it wants.

The leaked paper is the first evidence that Germany may be preparing to let Britain walk away with No Deal rather than back down to Boris Johnson’s demand to drop the Irish backstop

(playing Boris at his own expectations management/PR game)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/16/germany-expects-no-deal-will-not-renegotiate-says-leaked-briefing/

Yep the German press have ‘leaked’ a German government report that they won’t negotiate and are cool with No Deal

More leaks than a Welsh sieve at present imo

Recent examples of t'internet interference include supposed Russian influence in USA elections and Cambridge Analytica affecting political opinion. Figure we must conclude that this kind of brainwashing and attempted influencing is rife in today's world.

As we approach Brexit there seems to be a spike in government 'leaks' e.g. looking to USA for new trade arrangement we suddenly 'leak' that Trump is an orange baboon (although our leaders don't fair any better in the primate stakes)

Now the Sunday Times have full scale project fear 'leak' about our impending doom. The full list is mighty frightening but my personal favourite is the 'public disorder and community tension created by the shortage of food'. But we also have shortage of medicine, less fresh food and rising prices, hard Irish border and violent protests, petrol less available, diabetics having to wait for insulin, frequent airport and port delays together with face melting if you look directly as the sun. 

Never fear because the major EU leaders are all meeting up and this humanitarian crisis should be discussed right? The Sunday Times also report "However No 10 said there will be very little discussion of Brexit during the meetings in France and Germany...it is thought that the leaders are more likely to discuss issues such as foreign policy, security, trade and the environment, ahead of the G7 summit next weekend"

It's a monkey madhouse and we're all doomed I tell ye!

In a Delta poll yesterday it was made clear Corbyn simply isn’t backed by the public

A small minority thought he was fit for purpose in this kind of situation with Boris scoring significantly higher in all areas of public confidence

The majority of voters wanted Leave (factions want to force Remain), the majority of people want a deal (MPs voted against a deal), the majority of pollsters don’t want Corbyn (factions want to force Corbyn upon us), Boris scored much higher in public confidence (MPs want to force no confidence vote)

It’s democracy folks. But not as we know it.

You could only choose to vote for a deal that’s already been agreed. So in this instance it’d be the Maybot deal, already thrice rejected by the parliament we voted for to make these decisions for us.

Then if a pre agreed deal that parliament rejected is offered as an option are we sure joe public will read and understand the implications properly? Would come to something if our future is decided by the comprehension of all these low earning ignorant racist paedos

The ballot paper said Leave, never mentioned great deals or such.

If there was a box saying ‘Leave with great deals’ I would deffo ticked it.