Reasons why I ask is it worth it?

[action man]

it really tilts me off when people say internet pro's dont know "the value of money" like only a 60 yr old guy who has been on a building site for 45 years does.

some people work with there muscles some with their brains. some get up at the crack of dawn and some go to sleep at that time.

its very patronising to say "they dont know the value of money" everyone is brought up in different circumstances.

[Woodsey]

it really tilts me off when people say internet pro's dont know "the value of money" like only a 60 yr old guy who has been on a building site for 45 years does.

some people work with there muscles some with their brains. some get up at the crack of dawn and some go to sleep at that time.

its very patronising to say "they dont know the value of money" everyone is brought up in different circumstances.

It depends on the individual obv, but broadly speaking I'd say its true tbh, more likely with people that have made a lot whilst very young in a short period of time.............

I think poker players in general don't value money as much as others, I know I don't and I've tried very hard to make myself do it.

[The Camel]

it really tilts me off when people say internet pro's dont know "the value of money" like only a 60 yr old guy who has been on a building site for 45 years does.

some people work with there muscles some with their brains. some get up at the crack of dawn and some go to sleep at that time.

its very patronising to say "they dont know the value of money" everyone is brought up in different circumstances.

Would an internet pro lend $2,000 to someone they've never met if he had to work a month 9am - 6pm 5 days a week as a hod carrier to earn it?

I may have said it in a patronising way, but I think it is definitely true.

[action man]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

[The Camel]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

[The_nun]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

Keith, I think I love you.

[Claw75]

An example of the 'value of money' thing for me is when you see people with a 'balla' lifestyle (not just poker players) bragging about spending thousands on a single night out.  Sometimes as much as could otherwise be used to buy a car or a luxury holiday.  Is there really any need to spend that much money to have a great night out?  Think there were stories on here a while back as well about someone literally throwing cash chips into the sea.  Maybe 'lack of respect' for money would be a better definition than 'not knowing the value of money' - or maybe it's a bit of both.

All that said - it's their money, they can do what they want with it. I just don't understand the people that think acting like that makes someone worthy of idolisation.

[mondatoo]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what it is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that.I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

[GreekStein]

An example of the 'value of money' thing for me is when you see people with a 'balla' lifestyle (not just poker players) bragging about spending thousands on a single night out.  Sometimes as much as could otherwise be used to buy a car or a luxury holiday.  Is there really any need to spend that much money to have a great night out?  Think there were stories on here a while back as well about someone literally throwing cash chips into the sea.  Maybe 'lack of respect' for money would be a better definition than 'not knowing the value of money' - or maybe it's a bit of both.

All that said - it's their money, they can do what they want with it. I just don't understand the people that think acting like that makes someone worthy of idolisation.

How would you describe the way you value money Clare? Do you think you value it?

Not a flame, just a genuine question.

[The Camel]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

I've worked for a living and gambled for a living.

To me, there is zero comparison and I have never been in a job which was physically and mentally exhausting.

I don't mind people flipping for whatever they want to, it's their money do with it as they please.

It's the people who idolise the nose bleed players or players who rub the noses of poorer people that really annoy me.

It is not a hardship not to play a big tournament.

[Claw75]

An example of the 'value of money' thing for me is when you see people with a 'balla' lifestyle (not just poker players) bragging about spending thousands on a single night out.  Sometimes as much as could otherwise be used to buy a car or a luxury holiday.  Is there really any need to spend that much money to have a great night out?  Think there were stories on here a while back as well about someone literally throwing cash chips into the sea.  Maybe 'lack of respect' for money would be a better definition than 'not knowing the value of money' - or maybe it's a bit of both.

All that said - it's their money, they can do what they want with it. I just don't understand the people that think acting like that makes someone worthy of idolisation.

How would you describe the way you value money Clare? Do you think you value it?

Not a flame, just a genuine question.

Yes I appreciate the value of money - I wouldn't pay way over the odds for anything, to prove a point or otherwise.  That's not to say I haven't been wasteful/extravagant with it on occasions, but only with amounts that a lot of people here would consider kebab shop money, and I certainly have never done it because I think it impresses people.

[GreekStein]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

I've worked for a living and gambled for a living.

To me, there is zero comparison and I have never been in a job which was physically and mentally exhausting.

I don't mind people flipping for whatever they want to, it's their money do with it as they please.

It's the people who idolise the nose bleed players or players who rub the noses of poorer people that really annoy me.

It is not a hardship not to play a big tournament.

Did you have the same attitude when you were younger Keeeeef?

[George2Loose]

From someone who probably has insight on both worlds. Working for a living and looking after a family is so much tougher than grinding mtts. The beauty of poker is that u r ur own boss. Take a day off here. A late start after a night on the lash there and maybe some players dont know what its really like to earn a crust. However i wouldnt go tarnishing these kids with the same brush just because a few bad eggs couldnt fight their way out the honest way.

[The Camel]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

I've worked for a living and gambled for a living.

To me, there is zero comparison and I have never been in a job which was physically and mentally exhausting.

I don't mind people flipping for whatever they want to, it's their money do with it as they please.

It's the people who idolise the nose bleed players or players who rub the noses of poorer people that really annoy me.

It is not a hardship not to play a big tournament.

Did you have the same attitude when you were younger Keeeeef?

I've been broke and done ridic degen things more times than I care to remember.

The difference is, I knew I was being a tosser when I did it, some people (seems like Marc is a prime example) think it's something to be admired.

[mondatoo]

you dont think internet mtters work longer hours  than this?

and what is the value of money?

Playing poker is not work.

Work your bollocks off so you're so tired you can hardly walk, for a pay packet which won't be a buyin for 3 Sunday majors.

That's work.

And what is the value of money?

Ask a single mum with 2 kids struggling on benefits who can't pay the rent what she thinks of a poker player sticking his chips in blind in a rebuy tournament or playing $100 flip.

The thing is tho it's unfair to say that poker players are wrong to do this and to just assume that everyones a twat,they aren't.I certainly don't come from a wealthy background and I appreciate what is to struggle financially,however I made choices in my life that got me to where I am just like the person you refer to who has to work there bollocks off to earn a living,I've done it I used to work 80 hours a week as a kitchen porter on minimum wage,just like the single mum with 2 kids on benefit there's a reason why she's in that position so if I want to go to Vegas and flip for $100 coz i think it's fun and it gives me a buzz then why shouldn't I do it.I put myself in a position where it was possible for me to do that I never had any better chances than the single mum or the worker who grafts there bollocks off.

I will also say that anyone who thinks it's easy to grind a living from poker is flat out wrong,I very much doubt many people could cope with the swings of playing mtt's for a living I know I couldn't I can also tell you from my own perspective that my job as an accountant was a lot easier than grinding 45mans for a living.I don't say that looking for sympathy as I love what I do but although we maybe earn a good living doing what we do we work damn hard for it.

Also I've pretty much thought you were absolutely spot on with what you've said in this thread Keith just think it's easy for people to say that there jobs are a "real" job but playing poker for a living is a "real" job and a lot harder one than an office job.

I've worked for a living and gambled for a living.

To me, there is zero comparison and I have never been in a job which was physically and mentally exhausting.

I don't mind people flipping for whatever they want to, it's their money do with it as they please.

It's the people who idolise the nose bleed players or players who rub the noses of poorer people that really annoy me.

It is not a hardship not to play a big tournament.

Agree with everything you've said there Keith and I have debated many times stopping updating my thread incase it seems like I'm bragging when I have good days,not that it's anywhere near the amounts we are talking about here but i do wonder if it pisses people off.I'm not saying that poker is a tough job to do as it's not and I certainly can't think of anyone in poker who I idolise,apart from Cos obv ldo but It's not a stroll in the park either playing 24 tables for 10 hours a day or playing loads of mtts for a lot of $ when ur deep in make up is more mentally draining than any job I've ever done(I've never done the latter but I'm pretty sure its worse than what I do).